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what exactly are prosecutors looking to show as they call witnesses like michael cohen's former banker to the stand. and as they tried to walk this jury, there are a lot of documents well, with the banker, they're setting the stage of the finances that were arranged to pay off stormy daniels during the later phases of the story, which we know about broadly, but we don't have the details yet. >> so what they have also apparently are a lot of documents. what we don't know if they have or do not have is information or witnesses are documents that directly link donald trump to the falsification of the documents or whether that's going to be something that has to be inferred heard by a really overwhelming evidence that there's no other way it could have happened other than from his allowing it to happen that's a thinner case. if they have a direct witness or they have direct evidence, that's going to be a powerful case. so this is what keeping me on the edge of my seat as i watch what unfolds. >> right. because we don't know exactly who they're going to be calling at this point. they have n
what exactly are prosecutors looking to show as they call witnesses like michael cohen's former banker to the stand. and as they tried to walk this jury, there are a lot of documents well, with the banker, they're setting the stage of the finances that were arranged to pay off stormy daniels during the later phases of the story, which we know about broadly, but we don't have the details yet. >> so what they have also apparently are a lot of documents. what we don't know if they have or do...
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cohen. he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank hey, everybody for being here michelle for through this, like everybody else. >> michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. kara scannell, cnn, new york and coming up former us attorney general, bill barr says donald trump should not be anywhere near the oval office, yet he still plans to vote for him assignment with hottie cornish. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts pain means pause on the things you love. >> but brene me go cool the pain with bio free. and keep on going bi
cohen. he asked pecker if you felt cohen was prone to exaggeration. pecker agreed he was after court. trump weighed in on the trial, eight days that we sitting in courthouse. i just want to thank hey, everybody for being here michelle for through this, like everybody else. >> michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels,...
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likely wrapping up a banking associate who work closely with michael cohen to build the shell company that he used to pay stormy daniels. and then it's unclear who the prosecution's and next big witness will be. paula reid, cnn, new york are joining me right now to talk more about this trial is jeff swartz. he has a former judge in florida and a law professor at the tampa campus for the thomas m. cooley law school. great to see you again, judge thank you. >> it's nice to see you, too. >> correct. so how do you assess the impact of the testimony from david pecker, the first witness who took the stand for four days this week in the trial i think david pecker was an outstanding choice for the first witness. his the stage and he set the whole scheme up for the jury and he was really very good on cross-examination. i don't think that he actually got impeached in any really serious way. i think that people are going to look at his testimony and start building around it. i think the jury paid attention to them from all accounts. they pay very close attention to him. and i think he was incred
likely wrapping up a banking associate who work closely with michael cohen to build the shell company that he used to pay stormy daniels. and then it's unclear who the prosecution's and next big witness will be. paula reid, cnn, new york are joining me right now to talk more about this trial is jeff swartz. he has a former judge in florida and a law professor at the tampa campus for the thomas m. cooley law school. great to see you again, judge thank you. >> it's nice to see you, too....
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i'm michele for through this, like everybody else michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. >> kara scannell, cnn, new york former president donald trump will also have a key hearing next week on the gag order against him. thursday morning. judge, merchan will weigh prosecutors arguments that trump violated the order four more times this week when he talked about michael cohen, david pecker, and the jury. that's an addition to ten other incidents which he is accused of violating the order joining us right now, camille vasco as a partner in the brown redneck law firm and co-chair of the brand and reputation management thank group vasquez also successfully represented johnny depp in his defamation case against his ex-wife. amber heard camille wright to seal nice to be here
i'm michele for through this, like everybody else michael cohen's banker took the stand on friday afternoon, explaining to the dreo he helped set up a bank account for the shell company that cohen ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment stormy daniels, there's no court on monday, but the banker will be back on the stand tuesday, answering question from prosecutors before trump's lawyers get a turn at him. >> kara scannell, cnn, new york former president donald trump will also...
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cohen's former better gary farro there was also a hearing on whether it was violating the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan. trump continued his pattern of speaking out about the case outside of the courtroom, the trial resumes again on tuesday, joining me now is criminal defendant it's attorney arthur aidala. arthur on that key issue of the purpose of the payments, the prosecution was able to get in through david pecker that this was about the campaign, not protecting trump's family how can trump get into evidence? his side of that unless he testifies good morning. and then say it's a privilege to be ali, sir, i'm a fan from a lot day that on television so you want to know the easy way, the easy way is at the end of people's case, donald trump takes the stand and he looks at the jury with the first question was of course, i didn't want bonnie to know about this. of course i didn't want my kids to know about this yeah. was there a part of it that i was running for president? >> yeah. >> but i didn't think i need these problems at home. it's enough of a headache to run for pres
cohen's former better gary farro there was also a hearing on whether it was violating the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan. trump continued his pattern of speaking out about the case outside of the courtroom, the trial resumes again on tuesday, joining me now is criminal defendant it's attorney arthur aidala. arthur on that key issue of the purpose of the payments, the prosecution was able to get in through david pecker that this was about the campaign, not protecting trump's family how...
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cohen's banker who facilitated the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. cnn's paula reid has more for us good morning, amara. and victor will after one week of testimony, the prosecutors only gotten through one major witness, former tabloid king david pecker. >> now, after he wrapped up friday, they did call two witnesses just briefly to help them move into evidence. some exhibits one of those two witnesses prompted something we haven't seen throughout this trial. a smile from the defendant so we have another day. >> court in a freezing court it's very cold former president donald trump's still not warming up to the reality of being on trial in the new york hush money case in court, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, was back on the witness stand, tying pecker's non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors to an agreement he made to sell the national enquirer for a contingent on the investigation into his company being resolved from a timing standpoint, it would have added onto the stress of the transaction. >> pecker testi
cohen's banker who facilitated the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. cnn's paula reid has more for us good morning, amara. and victor will after one week of testimony, the prosecutors only gotten through one major witness, former tabloid king david pecker. >> now, after he wrapped up friday, they did call two witnesses just briefly to help them move into evidence. some exhibits one of those two witnesses prompted something we haven't seen throughout this trial. a smile from the...
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everybody else michael cohen's bank or took the stand friday afternoon, he described to the jury how he helped cohen set up the shell company that was ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, so the banker will be back on the stand tuesday. we're prosecutors will continue to question him then, donald trump's attorneys will get a chance to cross-examine him as his trial continues into next week, amara victor, kara scannell. thanks so much and doing now by former federal prosecutor, at least we'll good morning to you. let me start here with david pecker and then kind of go through some of the other witnesses. the prosecution. they spent several hours with him trying to get him to explain the process of these catch and kill. the defense then went and tried to undermine some of the testimony and the inconsistencies you said earlier to the fbi that trump did not. thank you. in january of 2017, during testimony, you said he did what's the value the impact of these inconsistencies on the larger question here of criminality victor, i
everybody else michael cohen's bank or took the stand friday afternoon, he described to the jury how he helped cohen set up the shell company that was ultimately used to transfer the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, so the banker will be back on the stand tuesday. we're prosecutors will continue to question him then, donald trump's attorneys will get a chance to cross-examine him as his trial continues into next week, amara victor, kara scannell. thanks...
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michael cohen did open up an account. it open a shell company in order to get payment to stormy daniels. that's as far as we got in terms of the longtime assistant, all we heard is that we got confirmation that donald trump did have the contact information for karen mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he produced sort of establishing the timeline and the importance of getting those payments done before the election that will be crucial, right? absolutely. the urgency. so we learned the urgency that michael cohen had in order to get the payments made during that short period of time, not to sit on these payments, not to wait until after the election, but instead to get these payments that as soon as he requested it, which was shortly after the accident this hollywood tape had been released. so we got to learn to urgency and the importance o
michael cohen did open up an account. it open a shell company in order to get payment to stormy daniels. that's as far as we got in terms of the longtime assistant, all we heard is that we got confirmation that donald trump did have the contact information for karen mcdougal, as well as stormy daniels, and that stormy daniels was the at trump plaza at least on one occasion, but nothing that really stood out that was so bombshell that will stand out too. jury documentary evidence that he...
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michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not have you in his pocket. he would argue it's not a question of arguing. i did what i thought was right. >> and you never felt any direct pressure from him on what investigations the doj you did not directly pressure may as i say, he was out there tweeting and doing things that were embarrassing and made it hard for me to run the department that sounds like pressure wasn't pressure. it was just i mean, for example, i had decided that we were going to not agree to a sentence on stone that was three times longer than normal. >> and i'd already decided that. and then he was tweeting about stone. so it just made
michael cohen told him not to worry because geoff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. did trump expect his ag to go easy on his friends i don't know. i don't know what he expected what was your experience? >> my experience was why the time i came in, he did not he did not push me to do one thing or another on these criminal cases. now we tweeted and mavi, his public views on things known, but he never talked to me about them directly, so we did not...
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let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed crime given he spent time in prison yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how he committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is starting to take shape, are starting to understand how they're going to present their defense. >> and it's largely through the people's witnesses rather than going on the attack and going on the offensive against the witnesses that have testified so far, there sort of embracing the facts but saying yeah, these things happened. yeah, there was hush money paid, but we've been doing that. that was being done for everybody, wasn't had nothing to do with the election. this is just a business model and this is how it went. this is essentially how
let's michael cohen isn't very easy to show. michael cohen committed crime given he spent time in prison yeah, he pled to the federal offense, which is a little different than the falsifying documents, which is the state offense. the hilt say he committed a crime, so it won't be that hard. but you want to establish exactly how he committed the crime, which is through this financing and then tied donald trump right to that what do i think what stood out to me this week is the entire defense is...
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you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the stand men that had been friends. >> again, we put that in quotes, but friends such that they were friends over decades. they have not spoken since the beginning of 2019, according to pecker's testimony. so do you think they'll ever speak again? i mean, trump has said things about him this way. >> if you look at how once pecker told his tail that he was required to he also tried to make friends with trump again, so more like from the godfather, it's personal, not business and this is kind of that relationship anyways, so pretty yep description? >> yeah. all right. well, thank you all very much. >
you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen thighs, on the shoulders of michael cohen. right. you need everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it on. i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it. but then they would prove it separately from my one to the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew one thing that is david pecker is now walked off the...
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cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented keith davidson, who actually negotiated the ndas with karen mcdougal and also stormy daniels, former trump attorney tim parlatore, and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, four republicans who your congressional advisor, reno shaw, and law enforcement reporter for the washington post devlin barrett. he's the also the author of the coauthor of the trump trials newsletter. so i want to begin with this idea of of gary farro because his testimony in many respects was why i think that people may not have anticipated they were thinking about michael cohen and stormy daniels are thinking about, of course, david pecker, maybe karen mcdougal talk to you about the decision to have this person testified, what was the weight of it well, number one, it was a friday and they did not know. i agree. i mean, that it it would not have been in the interest of the prosecutors to call a big s
cohen spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this is one of those times answer, this is one of those times. let's talk about it now apart, federal prosecutor jean rossi here presented keith davidson, who actually negotiated the ndas with karen mcdougal and also stormy daniels, former trump attorney tim parlatore, and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams, four republicans who your congressional advisor, reno shaw, and law enforcement reporter for the washington post...
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he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant attorney general, and marcus childress farmer, january 6, investigative counsel. everyone, thanks for being here. so first of all trump keeps complaining about this courthouse. is really that gold. i've been i've tried several cases in that courthouse it was hard when i was there, but i think they've done some renovations so i guess the answer is no. >> it is a dingy 19, i think 60s or 70s style bonfire of the vanities might be the best way to describe the courthouse. that probably hasn't undergone the kind of renovations that you thin
he is michael cohen's former banker. he worked at first republic and if that bank sounds vaguely familiar to you, is because it crashed and burned last year. pharaoh was the one who put the rubber stamp on a brand new shell company for cohen resolution consultants. that was the company that the fixer used to pay the porn star. let's bring in our panel. we have jid rosie here, former federal prosecutor, former trump attorney tim parlatore, allele. it will williams, a former deputy assistant...
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i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro works. >> this is the bank through which the payment ultimately is going to be set up to be paid to stormy daniels from michael cohen, $130,000 to keep her story quiet. >> and what he's doing is piecing in new parts of the puzzle. the prosecutors want to be able to show the jury every step of the money and the effort toward paying off stormy daniels from donald trump's sphere. >> gary pharaoh is one of the people that can do that both with his testimony and with his evidence, he can help them show the documents, the emails, the exchanges, and a crucial document from him that
i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro...
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else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the discourse partly through this, and it was a practice the enquirer had engaged in for a long time, this sort of stick and karatay we'll buy up the unflattering stories. maybe we won't run them. also. will run flattering stories about you. they had done that if hollywood celebrities in the past, and here they were clearly applying it in a political context and it was apparent to all of us digging through the trail of money on this, that even if the underlying rumors about a fares are supposed, love children, didn't matter at all and we didn't care what did matter was the potential flexion line implicat
else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the...
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michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital re
michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn...
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cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a step back on what this must feel like for donald trump in this moment. i mean, we know the witness list includes people like hope hicks, michael cohen. michael cohen clearly, no love lost in the sense that we are all very clear at the status of their relationship. >> we're on a graph, somebody who would have been his right-hand woman thinking about her important role, david pecker, a long-term friend. >> we've seen the pictures outside of the white house, naveen david pecker was invited to sit in meeting with mike pompeo and jame dimon. call me and then told in front of all them he knows more than
cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a...
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't...
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the more you can show through david pecker that michael cohen was running the show. he's the fixer. the more you can show that this is what the former president does. he surrounds people, pays them and says, make this all stuff go away. i don't care how you do it. >> you. >> do that. the jury is left with eyes glazed over and at least one of them is going to say, i'm not convicting a hung jury is a win for the former president, just like an acquittal is a win for him. >> you know, i hear you say that you make a persuasive case, but it also helps me understand maybe some of what the prosecution was doing here by bringing up specific conversations that donald trump had with david pecker. according to david pecker, about karen mcdougal, about stormy daniels and michael, i do understand that in and of themselves, there may not be any illegality in those conversations, but if a trial is all about the impressions made, the jury sitting there, i imagine going that's interesting. donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave
the more you can show through david pecker that michael cohen was running the show. he's the fixer. the more you can show that this is what the former president does. he surrounds people, pays them and says, make this all stuff go away. i don't care how you do it. >> you. >> do that. the jury is left with eyes glazed over and at least one of them is going to say, i'm not convicting a hung jury is a win for the former president, just like an acquittal is a win for him. >> you...
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. >> david pecker testified that he had michael cohen in the loop. he had a conversation with donald trump about karen mcdougal's story, and then the national enquirer to the bosses pleasure that's trump decided to pay for that story and bury it so it would not be published before the 2016 election. he then testified about another type of very similar situation with a different outcome, where stormy daniels hill's came to the national enquirer pecker looped in michael cohen, let them know. he's not going to be paying for that. the national enquirer wouldn't be buying stormy daniels story and he testified that michael cohen told him that donald trump would be furious the national enquirer wasn't helping underlining all of this is david pecker testifying over and over again that he clearly understood trump had motivations to protect his campaign at that time. that their relationship shifted, that the way that they were buying stories and burying them shifted once donald trump came a presidential candidate, and that he understood at the national enquire
. >> david pecker testified that he had michael cohen in the loop. he had a conversation with donald trump about karen mcdougal's story, and then the national enquirer to the bosses pleasure that's trump decided to pay for that story and bury it so it would not be published before the 2016 election. he then testified about another type of very similar situation with a different outcome, where stormy daniels hill's came to the national enquirer pecker looped in michael cohen, let them...
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cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts this saying what kind of a cases is there is no case joining me now to break all this down, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, joe good morning. >> i always wonderful to have you with us. thanks for kicking us off today. >> let's start with the oral arguments that we saw before the supreme court yesterday. >> what stood out to you? >> yeah. casey, good morning to you. what stands out to me is whether there's gonna be this delineation between the president's private conduct and between of course, what can be deemed is
cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal...
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cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. no
cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what...
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michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage. >> from my time as a prosecutor but agree. i would be happy if this was my witness. i think what stands out is it is quite easy if they know someone else but today, pecker pointed the finger at himself. he admitted he was part of a criminal conspiracy and he talked about election crimes and his own concern and what they did violated that. >> he raised concerns and said he sought legal counsel on that at the time. >> i think that is incredibly damaging. one of the competing narratives is are we talking about a personal matter and hush money and what people do to connect stories, we talking about campa
michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage....
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the defense, not as bad as michael cohen, he is someone who is not adversarial but could help not just the prosecution, but -- >> and that is why trump felt optimistic. >> right. >> there was one thing david said that was significant and one stood out when we was sitting outside listening when we were watching the school across the screen, he testifies that at first trump's focus on negative stories which we pointed out, had been about his wife, his daughter, how he was be perceived in his family. but then he said after the campaign started it shifted and it was what the impact would be on the election. and black and white the motive right there. how significant is that one lying. >> i think it is very significant because people thought that this case was going to rest on the credibility of michael cohen and stormy daniels lab their own issues. really what david perker provided was this overall context that this was about the campaign. this was all about helping the campaign and he said over and over again during his testimony they knew that would be a campaign, a federal election viol
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cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense poke holes are trying to poke holes in pecker's recollection of one of the ways the recollection well, they've two different ways they try to poke holes in the prosecution here. one was to talk about maybe david pecker is memory, the other. and you talked about this earlier. was this suggests this is all standard operating procedure. this whole scheme of buying stuff is just what the enquirer did and there's an exchange to that effect and meal beauvais, the defense attorney says this relationship that you had with president trump, this mutually beneficial relationship, you had similar relatio
cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense...
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michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators now, not saying he is ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker p
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial....
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one...
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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
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cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the financial decisions. so the trustee is not conveyed to say, well, trump said make it go away. he didn't say do anything illegal or he didn't say write checks. that's what they're trying to build that trump knew what was happening. >> it seems to make caitlin the defense team of trump it's now going to try to muddy the waters a bit following the prosecution's opening witnesses, david pecker what are you hearing about how trump and his legal team are going to start dealing with all of this tomorrow. >> i think the question is really how do they distance donald trump from david pecker? because what
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is...
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actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i michael cohen saying, we want your help on the campaign and specify that it was for the campaign that wasn't a meeting of we want i can to help because mr. concern about melania trump. trump is leaning back looking down at times at pecker as he testifies again, had the interaction between these two, given their long history, i'm going to be to be inside the mind of donald trump. what he must be thinking as he's watching david pecker right now well, the risk always when you have somebody who is known, someone for a very long time is you don't know what that person as a prosecutor, you don't don't know what th
actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i...
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cohen. >> however, michael cohen overnight was tweeting about him and this gaggle border, but he said this, he said despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald until after my trial testimony. so it seems that he is no longer going to be tweeting about his former boss. he of course, is going to be a main way witness in this case. but as you said, ajahn, first order or maybe if maybe second order of business, we'll see is testimony continuing of the former national enquirer publisher, david pecker. he was getting into the details about karen mcdougal, how they learned about that alleged fair the process of possibly a bearing that story, and we fully we expect him to get to the heart of this case, which is the alleged affair with stormy daniels, will certainly have some details later today, john. >> yeah, a lot of it could happen very quickly once trial resumes this morning, bring and grass great to have you there. thank you. >> kate and that is the case in new york. we also have two other legal h
cohen. >> however, michael cohen overnight was tweeting about him and this gaggle border, but he said this, he said despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald until after my trial testimony. so it seems that he is no longer going to be tweeting about his former boss. he of course, is going to be a main way witness in this case. but as you said, ajahn, first order or maybe if maybe second order of...
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to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental that'll come up when certainly on emanation that the defense will attack david pecker for that amino deal, telling the jurors and effect, you can't believe anything. >> this guy says he has an incentive to not be straight, so exactly right. >> also, it's like this cast is like the sleazy has cast. you could ever pick and so much of america is learning about tabloid journalism and what that is. >> the, how they change pictures and the symbiotic relationship and they're paying off mistresses and loved children. >> it's like this. >> i mean, i'm a journal
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cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many years, but but here we are at joey, what do you expect in terms of what we're going to see on the stand, we know that david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage for this en
cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many...
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cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. >> now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it's basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtro
cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a...
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dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump
dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen...
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this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting. >> make a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow. on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6, case. we'll be right back his new album is
this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court earlier the week and then last week, this is going to be tomorrow. the first full day in court. we had the dentist appointment for an alternate juror on monday, which bear that had been a cleaning but oral hygiene is important. you had of course, passover observance as well on tuesday and also on monday now it'd be the first full day for this witness and others i'm, talking about what trump has been like in this courtroom because he's had to sit there tomorrow is de seven so he's an interesting defendant to watch because on the one hand, and i say this based in part on watching him during the
, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court...