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women he's been within marla maples and this and that if he came out, he fooled around with stormy daniels, that would exchange the election. he thought so just protecting, not that it was going to swing the election. >> if this is 2015, he didn't even think it was going to be present in united states. trust me, i knew people around them. >> nobody was spoke to rudy giuliani the day after, but nobody was surprised. >> he wanted to let you money for donald trump. >> but there's going to be testimony about he said he spent what, a hundreds of half 1 dollars. that's like, you know, you give let me well, there's going to testimony about the access hollywood tape and the impact the bombshell impact that had on the campaigns. and how that actually changed the desire to silence story. dan and i think what, what what i think what the prosecution is going to try to do. >> and i think today i think you're right. everybody knows now and everyone's desensitized do it but back in 2015 and 2016, i other than the people around him, i think the general public didn't know that. i think this was i think tha
women he's been within marla maples and this and that if he came out, he fooled around with stormy daniels, that would exchange the election. he thought so just protecting, not that it was going to swing the election. >> if this is 2015, he didn't even think it was going to be present in united states. trust me, i knew people around them. >> nobody was spoke to rudy giuliani the day after, but nobody was surprised. >> he wanted to let you money for donald trump. >> but...
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daniel thing, other than to protect the campaign. i mean, you have no doubt that this do or do you do you have any doubt that this was about protecting the campaign as opposed to what some of trump's people have been saying as well, luck, he was concerned about his wife finding out. >> no, it was it was it was completely for the campaign. i mean this was absolutely transactional and i'm left now still wondering as i listened to the reports of the david pecker's testimony, why he would sacrifice the inquire, why he would sacrifice the legacy of great tabloid reporting and he said he had donald trump had been his mentor and like the edward story the campaign aide andrew young had claimed falsely that he was to fathered a child to protect john edward in this particular case? it was an unhinged type of loyalty with michael cohen, with david pecker. and pecker also testified that he had done this with or that arnold schwarzenegger had approached him that other celebrities had were you i did you know about this history and how common was t
daniel thing, other than to protect the campaign. i mean, you have no doubt that this do or do you do you have any doubt that this was about protecting the campaign as opposed to what some of trump's people have been saying as well, luck, he was concerned about his wife finding out. >> no, it was it was it was completely for the campaign. i mean this was absolutely transactional and i'm left now still wondering as i listened to the reports of the david pecker's testimony, why he would...
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that he was cheating on melania with karen mcdougal and then shooting on karen mcdougal and stormy daniels and suit was untested at that point would the evangelicals actually embrace him as they did? and you can make an argument. there were some who thought, well, of course, once people know the full sorted details of his life, they're not going to, of course, little did we know actually, of course, they actually would embrace him and just ignore it despite all the stuff they have said. but back in 20 he was an untested candidate. exactly. what did he against your argument, would fights against your argument is it's donald trump. we now know and michael cohen, who held this meeting, who called david pecker in for this meeting. it wasn't david pecker coming as previously thought i'm not saying they don't if they didn't desire gets. >> me know because of course is obvious defenses. i've been buying stories and controlling my media for my whole life. that's my brand the difference here is he was running for office and yes, celebrities have gone to the national enquirer. they've bought and sup
that he was cheating on melania with karen mcdougal and then shooting on karen mcdougal and stormy daniels and suit was untested at that point would the evangelicals actually embrace him as they did? and you can make an argument. there were some who thought, well, of course, once people know the full sorted details of his life, they're not going to, of course, little did we know actually, of course, they actually would embrace him and just ignore it despite all the stuff they have said. but...
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kept contact information for the two women her boss had denied knowing intimately, including stormy daniels cell phone number and two addresses for karen mcdougal she also said she vaguely recalled one seeing daniels at trump tower on the 26th floor. then when prompted by the defense, she said it might have been in connection with the apprentice earlier. the defense tried hard to undermine former national enquirer publisher david pecker, and upcoming witness, michael cohen the trump's attorney, emil bove, a asking if he believed cohen was prone to exaggeration, pecker agreeing that he was the end of it all, the former president had this to say about the trials so far this is eight days that we all sitting in this courthouse this is all night. >> indictment it's an honor to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days our country is going to help and we sit here day after, day after day, which is their plan well, the foreign president offer no evidence, of course, to backup any of those claims. there's no evidence that any of what he said is true
kept contact information for the two women her boss had denied knowing intimately, including stormy daniels cell phone number and two addresses for karen mcdougal she also said she vaguely recalled one seeing daniels at trump tower on the 26th floor. then when prompted by the defense, she said it might have been in connection with the apprentice earlier. the defense tried hard to undermine former national enquirer publisher david pecker, and upcoming witness, michael cohen the trump's attorney,...
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i think the stormy daniels thing is one thing. i think she's very hurt and a lot of sources of told me she's very hurt by the karen mcdougal aspect of the case and that was something where he fast where she professed some love for him and it was ongoing she came into their home. so i think a lot of this is very awkward. i've heard from some sources that she's watching the trial obviously not very happy about some aspects of it. >> yeah. i mean, why would she be there's also though the issue of the campaign trail, i mean, even before all of this she has been completely absent really why is that and will that change? >> i don't expect when i talked to sources about this, she said stay tuned when she was asked by a reporter or last month when she was voting with her husband alongside her husband in palm beach or reporter asked her, are you going to be on there? are you going to return to the campaign trail and she said, stay tuned and she smiled and people thought, well, maybe she will be so far. she's only done one fundraiser last w
i think the stormy daniels thing is one thing. i think she's very hurt and a lot of sources of told me she's very hurt by the karen mcdougal aspect of the case and that was something where he fast where she professed some love for him and it was ongoing she came into their home. so i think a lot of this is very awkward. i've heard from some sources that she's watching the trial obviously not very happy about some aspects of it. >> yeah. i mean, why would she be there's also though the...
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why is trying to be daniel's in a directory? i have this is a very transactional one time relationship of sorts, not at not a karen mcdougal scenario. it was a one time thing and she's she's a part of the directory they want. meanwhile, karen mcdougal also there with two addresses, email address, telephone numbers, as well. that was pretty stunning in that moment that she's part of the directory. can i offer one possible explanation and tim, maybe you have some insights into this. >> donald trump typically uses other people to get in touch with who he wants to talk to you. he is a very old school guy until recently. hadn't really used. he didn't really text people. he didn't really use a cell phone in that way. he would say to hope hicks hope call x, y, and z. so to me, that is the reason now, i mean that the jury might need to understand that, but that would be the reason that's absolutely true. i mean, a good portion of my relationship with him, i would get calls from other people saying please hold for donald trump, please ho
why is trying to be daniel's in a directory? i have this is a very transactional one time relationship of sorts, not at not a karen mcdougal scenario. it was a one time thing and she's she's a part of the directory they want. meanwhile, karen mcdougal also there with two addresses, email address, telephone numbers, as well. that was pretty stunning in that moment that she's part of the directory. can i offer one possible explanation and tim, maybe you have some insights into this. >>...
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, even though national acquired by stormy daniel story, right? >> exactly. i mean, this is the beginning of the conspiracy and it was as pecker testified, it was donald trump's idea to have the meeting and that donald trump asked him, what can you and your magazine do for me? so this was the piece that trump's team was trying to chip away at, that they would have published a lot of these stories about trump's opponents. anyway, because that's what the national enquirer does. and it was good for business for them because they would benefit their readers, was like donald trump, that was one of the things that came out in the testimony that they had prior to that meeting, they had already published negative stories, isn't that right away? they had been carson? >> and they went through a couple of things that they showed that the gordian had already published a lot of these stories about ben carson the national enquirer was just recycling it and that it was coinciding with poll results. and they also establish that the national enquirer had already d
, even though national acquired by stormy daniel story, right? >> exactly. i mean, this is the beginning of the conspiracy and it was as pecker testified, it was donald trump's idea to have the meeting and that donald trump asked him, what can you and your magazine do for me? so this was the piece that trump's team was trying to chip away at, that they would have published a lot of these stories about trump's opponents. anyway, because that's what the national enquirer does. and it was...
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he could be testifying about payments made to stormy daniels. we also know that michael cohen he had to borrow against his home to pay stormy daniels to that could also be why he has been called to the stand, but we expect this to be a pretty quick appearance. by this witness, mr. pharaoh, to likely just help them bring in some documents that they're going to need over the next few weeks? >> yeah. again, a friday afternoon, not much time to go before court is set to wrap for the de it's gonna be a long weekend for these jurors. you don't want to use an impactful witness right now. paula reid. thanks so much for the update. let's discuss the trial, mourn out with carolyn cooks. she's a trial and jury consultant. carolyn. thank you so much for being with us. so the first two witnesses of wrapped both of them fairly close to donald trump, david pecker, a longtime friend, assisted him with these catch and kill stories. the national enquirer, then his longtime assistant, rona graph, one of second and now third, we're hearing from bank employee what d
he could be testifying about payments made to stormy daniels. we also know that michael cohen he had to borrow against his home to pay stormy daniels to that could also be why he has been called to the stand, but we expect this to be a pretty quick appearance. by this witness, mr. pharaoh, to likely just help them bring in some documents that they're going to need over the next few weeks? >> yeah. again, a friday afternoon, not much time to go before court is set to wrap for the de it's...
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he allegedly he was stormy daniels over a period of time. he spoke about the judge called the judge highly conflicted. he called this a rig trial, and he says this minutes before potentially what could be some kind of a ruling on the alleged violations of the gag or why hasn't the judge you think made a ruling yet? >> that's a great question. i don't know. i mean, he had this hearing already on the first ten alleged violations there's another hearing set next week for follow-on violations, but every day we see donald trump talking more and more about the trial, what he said today isn't a violation, but he has continued think to talk about specifically michael cohen, which usually is a violation. so i really don't understand the delay. obviously, it's a hard decision for the judge to make. he doesn't have a lot of good options here, but it's not like the options are changing as time goes by. so i don't know. i mean, i would expect a ruling today, although i said that, yes. today as well there the prosecution is the only one right now that kno
he allegedly he was stormy daniels over a period of time. he spoke about the judge called the judge highly conflicted. he called this a rig trial, and he says this minutes before potentially what could be some kind of a ruling on the alleged violations of the gag or why hasn't the judge you think made a ruling yet? >> that's a great question. i don't know. i mean, he had this hearing already on the first ten alleged violations there's another hearing set next week for follow-on...
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i don't think stormy daniels is the worst thing he did. there's probably more things he need to cover up than this. this is the issue of the moment. >> we will take a short break and i want to talk about a hostage in gonzaga. his parents have not gotten any word whether he was alive or not. finally think have a proof of life video and we will talk to them next. >> for more than six months they have the best they can in a nightmare hoping their son who was abducted by gunmen is still alive. their last images of him were from this video retrieved from the body camera of the gunman. hirsch, his left hand and part of his arm had been blown off partially by a grenade after being forced into a truck. i was originally shown this by an israeli soldier and recorded it. they had not seen the video when i interviewed them. realizing it was their son i call them after the interview and sent them this video. it was the first time they saw their son being taking. they later decided to make it public so people could see what they did to their child.d. we
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stormy daniels, not against the lawyer. that debt which has been multiplying over the years is currently about $670,000. so stormy daniels, owes donald trump at this moment, about $670,000 and has essentially no chance of discharging that debt because it's been appealed and it's been upheld. this is something that i suspect the trump's lawyers are going to use when she testifies to talk about her bias and anger now, she has lots of things in her favor. she is actually a very good witness. she testified against michael avenatti in his criminal trial in manhattan, and the jury clearly believed her. i mean, she is a believable person, but she does have an ax to grind against donald trump. and that is going to be brought out in front of the sure. i mean, it was interesting because trump will also pecker testified that he gotten angry call from trump also about another interview i did which was with karen mcdougal in 2018 pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen
stormy daniels, not against the lawyer. that debt which has been multiplying over the years is currently about $670,000. so stormy daniels, owes donald trump at this moment, about $670,000 and has essentially no chance of discharging that debt because it's been appealed and it's been upheld. this is something that i suspect the trump's lawyers are going to use when she testifies to talk about her bias and anger now, she has lots of things in her favor. she is actually a very good witness. she...
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daniel, stormy daniels. but i want to go to hope hicks. hope hits is going to be an explosive witness based on my knowledge of the case and meeting with the prosecutors in the trump us attorney's office mr. jordan said it's a bragg case. this started off as a trump justice department us attorney case. they had four brilliant prosecutors. i met with them with my client, so it started in an sdny. it's not a bragg case but i want to go to whole picks after the access hollywood tape. >> there was a flurry of communication between my client michael cohen and indirectly hope hicks, who was on the plane would trump in a nose three weeks. >> hope hicks was conveying information from then candidate trump two cohen. and you can guarantee it was all focused on how do we shut her up because it's going to affect the election and that gets you said at the beginning, keep it simple, stupid, the false invoices are driven and they are the seed and number result of affecting the election. the false invoices would not be made. but for that deal, jim, are you
daniel, stormy daniels. but i want to go to hope hicks. hope hits is going to be an explosive witness based on my knowledge of the case and meeting with the prosecutors in the trump us attorney's office mr. jordan said it's a bragg case. this started off as a trump justice department us attorney case. they had four brilliant prosecutors. i met with them with my client, so it started in an sdny. it's not a bragg case but i want to go to whole picks after the access hollywood tape. >> there...
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meat on the bone about how prosecutors say trump architected in agreement to catch and kill the stormy daniel story in the deciding stretch of the 2016 campaign. now, the level of detail that pecker provided from the stand was kind of unexpected and the jury learn some new things about a story that most of us thought we already knew there were thank you. dinners. the white house was involved. there were fights over money and trump trying to stiff his tabloid protector. >> but maybe most critically actually was the prosecution. >> they got pecker to make the link between the payments to women who allegedly had sexual & trump and the reason why trump wanted to keep all of this from ever seeing sunlight and it wasn't his family. pecker told the jury it was the election. >> so here with us to discuss today's developments, we've got a great group, former trump white house lawyer jim schulte's former federal prosecutor, generosity editor of the protect democracy project. amanda carpenter, and former trump attorney tim parlatore, also with them that's a former assistant us attorney, kim wally. she i
meat on the bone about how prosecutors say trump architected in agreement to catch and kill the stormy daniel story in the deciding stretch of the 2016 campaign. now, the level of detail that pecker provided from the stand was kind of unexpected and the jury learn some new things about a story that most of us thought we already knew there were thank you. dinners. the white house was involved. there were fights over money and trump trying to stiff his tabloid protector. >> but maybe most...
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because of course, pecker didn't pay stormy daniels, right? he said i'm not a bank after paying the other two stories. so the question is now sure he's credible, but most of the stories not going to come from him. so are they going to find michael cohen credible who has an ax to grind against donald trump. pecker like to your point? >> but said he was my mentor. he was very nice, he was very believable. and this real stories coming from someone else and further in the trial, this is a classic dilemma. you see it all trials when prosecutors are almost always going to build their case to some extent on testimony from people who are involved in the crime, cooperating witnesses, people who've been given immunity, like david pecker and defense lawyers say, how can you convict based on the heart of this sleazebags? how can you base convict based on the word of this convicted liar coming up later, et cetera. and prosecutors, we have our standard thing. we've all done it where you say, guess who chose this guy, right? the defendant chosen when chose t
because of course, pecker didn't pay stormy daniels, right? he said i'm not a bank after paying the other two stories. so the question is now sure he's credible, but most of the stories not going to come from him. so are they going to find michael cohen credible who has an ax to grind against donald trump. pecker like to your point? >> but said he was my mentor. he was very nice, he was very believable. and this real stories coming from someone else and further in the trial, this is a...
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now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he also invites him to the inauguration. david pecker said he didn't go, and then there's one more meeting that prosecutors have flagged. so this is what i expect david pecker will be asked about when in return soon for after lunch, was that it was in the spring or summer of 2017 after trump has been president, he invites david pecker to the white house, keep i'm sorry. i keep davidson. i'm dylan howard goes along with him and it was the thank you dinner. and he thinks him then trump thinks david pecker for everything he's done for the campaign. so that is what we will then here think that brings us toward the end of the direct examination and then it will be trump's attorneys opportunity to cross-examine david pecker, and i'm told that's going to take you hours,
now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he also invites him to the inauguration. david pecker said he didn't go, and then there's one more meeting that prosecutors have flagged. so this is what i expect david pecker will be asked...
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whether it's related to karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, that their own agreements and stormy daniels, one that had pseudonyms peterson and david denison. i believe, who were the names right now prosecutors, what they were just stepping way to talk about with attorneys, they are showing an email about the paperwork to get a wire pavement to sajudin that is the dormant who is shopping this story around? that obviously is also incredibly powerful evidence it is. >> and remember this has sex and politics and play what play mates. but at the core, this is a paper work hey so documents like this are significant. and i think they're going to want to show this wire payment because they're going to set up later on why they believe that trump falsified those records, why? hi, he had to falsify the repayment to michael cohen. so all of this again, this is building to the core of their cases, to the allegation that he falsified these business records to cover up the hush money payment. now, prosecutors are showing an email about the paperwork for a wire payment to the doorman. now, this i'd be r
whether it's related to karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, that their own agreements and stormy daniels, one that had pseudonyms peterson and david denison. i believe, who were the names right now prosecutors, what they were just stepping way to talk about with attorneys, they are showing an email about the paperwork to get a wire pavement to sajudin that is the dormant who is shopping this story around? that obviously is also incredibly powerful evidence it is. >> and remember this has...
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first of all, stormy daniels this is the charge. the charge relates not to the act of catching and killing. that's not the crime, but the final is not a crime, right? exactly. not a crime to catch and kill, not a crime to pay hush money. but the final dancing the went behind that the allegation is that was falsified also not charged in the indictment, but it will come into evidence. the scheme to catch and kill the story from karen mcdougal, who likes stormy daniels, alleged that she had a sexual encounter with donald trump. that's going to come into evidence. and finally, there was a third catch and kill scheme relating to a doorman. dino said putin relating to untrue allegations that donald trump had a child out of wedlock. now we got a sense of david is testimony from when he started testifying yesterday. first thing he said that was interesting. he said for the tabloids, meaning national enquirer, we used checkbook journalism and we paid for stories, meaning they paid sources. they use the power of their finances to shape their
first of all, stormy daniels this is the charge. the charge relates not to the act of catching and killing. that's not the crime, but the final is not a crime, right? exactly. not a crime to catch and kill, not a crime to pay hush money. but the final dancing the went behind that the allegation is that was falsified also not charged in the indictment, but it will come into evidence. the scheme to catch and kill the story from karen mcdougal, who likes stormy daniels, alleged that she had a...
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but this is larger than stormy daniels or trump in, in hush payment. cohen's already done as jail time he's turning on them. where in new york state where donald trump has largely fled his business assets from. yet on the same hand, he very well-made, doubled down on buying advertisement in new york, thinking he could put that state for play. come november. so it is a very strange to muddled situation. but i think that anytime i see trump standing on a courthouse, it brings back bad memories of politicians to me like george wallace and alabama and segregation. it's not a good idea that you have to be in a court dealing with hush payments to a porn star. yet yesterday, the former first lady melania trump, is putting out mother's day jewelry. we are in a very confused america where pop culture, tabloid culture, celebrity, death, disaster trial is all intertwined into a big ball of entertainment voters are going to be bombarded over these next few weeks with all these images of trump as a criminal defendant, do you think it will impact the campaign and if
but this is larger than stormy daniels or trump in, in hush payment. cohen's already done as jail time he's turning on them. where in new york state where donald trump has largely fled his business assets from. yet on the same hand, he very well-made, doubled down on buying advertisement in new york, thinking he could put that state for play. come november. so it is a very strange to muddled situation. but i think that anytime i see trump standing on a courthouse, it brings back bad memories of...
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stormy daniels to testify. that's what i read that's what my analysis is of what todd blanche was saying. they're saying that maybe it's going to be salacious, but it doesn't ultimately matter. your because she doesn't know about the heart of the allegations here, which is about how these payments were categorized in donald trump's records and his financial records here that is something that's notable, but saying to listen to what testimony was for selling magazines, i mean, anyone who's ever picked up a copy of the national enquirer would know that it's interesting though, to kinda turn david against that because for decades donald trump used david to his advantage. i mean, this was not just about the campaign. this was a relationship that dates get back to when he ran the trump style magazine before he got to national enquirer, but he was at national enquirer or when the apprentice became a popular television show. and that is when women and their stories of donald trump started coming forward and the defens
stormy daniels to testify. that's what i read that's what my analysis is of what todd blanche was saying. they're saying that maybe it's going to be salacious, but it doesn't ultimately matter. your because she doesn't know about the heart of the allegations here, which is about how these payments were categorized in donald trump's records and his financial records here that is something that's notable, but saying to listen to what testimony was for selling magazines, i mean, anyone who's ever...