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. >> my intention is to call president biden after we leave here and share with him what we have seen with our own two eyes and demand he take action. there is executive authority to be appropriate, if this is not contained quickly, and if these threats and intimidations are not stopped there is an appropriate time for the national guard. >> the national guard in case you don't know is activated and commended the governors of their respective states. however, under the insurrection act a president does have the power to federalize these forces. republicans are calling on the president to take these extraordinary actions despite the fact that we have yet to see evidence of mass violence or unrest that would justify such an extreme move. in fact much of whatever violence we have seen on college campuses has been at the hands of over militarized police. those who were called in to help disperse the protests. images and videos of police violently arresting peaceful protesters has flooded social media. take for example at emory university, heavily armed officers can be seen standing there
. >> my intention is to call president biden after we leave here and share with him what we have seen with our own two eyes and demand he take action. there is executive authority to be appropriate, if this is not contained quickly, and if these threats and intimidations are not stopped there is an appropriate time for the national guard. >> the national guard in case you don't know is activated and commended the governors of their respective states. however, under the insurrection...
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i think it's no surprise everyone is thinking what is joe biden going to say about age? i imagine the way he handles that with humor is it will tell us a lot about how he and his team are thinking about that going into the next couple months through the election. >> what about leaning into this perception? >> that's one of the things most want to do is to say hey, you and the audience, sometimes people in the press, you wrote this about me, or you guys said this. and it's a way of saying there's a lot of nonsense out there, and calling it out, bu doing it in a way that's funny where people say that's pretty good. >> i am looking forward to being there. david litt, thank you for joining, and for tidying up with me. i have a twin here. more right back with more msnbc after this r this sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte™. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression
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now, april, this is the third correspondents dinner of the biden administration. the event was canceled in 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic, and of course, biden's predecessor donald trump did not attend any of the dinners during his term. how has this washington pastime changed over to years? >> well, reverend al, over the years it's changes because of the focus on the presidency. there was a great focus with then president barack obama. you had celebrities and so many different people just wanting to be at that intersection of politics and entertainment, because at that time politics had trumped, if you will, entertainment. politics was entertainment, and so many people wanted to see what the first black president was doing. and because then donald trump the president of the united states hated the press so much, the free press, a press that was independent of what he had to say, was so free he decided not to come. and now we have this president who is -- i mean, presidents have been coming since before john f. kennedy, okay? but this is a salute to the indepen
now, april, this is the third correspondents dinner of the biden administration. the event was canceled in 2020 and 2021 due to the pandemic, and of course, biden's predecessor donald trump did not attend any of the dinners during his term. how has this washington pastime changed over to years? >> well, reverend al, over the years it's changes because of the focus on the presidency. there was a great focus with then president barack obama. you had celebrities and so many different people...
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the state results as overseen by the independent courts, as approved by the supreme court, found that biden won? you do not see any chance that could be against the law? >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak they never reached the merits. not like bush v. gore, where they have the full case. that included many justices. >> it was a different makeup of the court. more and more information is coming out every day out of arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. >> if you are aiding and abetting the ceding of voter fraud, not only is that potential against the law, but then you also was loose lawyer client privilege? >> the potential of fraud was absolutely done by the democrats. everything that was done was done legally by the trump legal team according to the rules and rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time. epshteyn admitting an hour interview after that back and forth, with the results and the examples and the other corroborating evidence that he was in the elector plot. these are states like arizona, where have lost. i
the state results as overseen by the independent courts, as approved by the supreme court, found that biden won? you do not see any chance that could be against the law? >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak they never reached the merits. not like bush v. gore, where they have the full case. that included many justices. >> it was a different makeup of the court. more and more information is coming out every day out of arizona, georgia,...
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does he pull from biden or trump? >> i think the goes to the erosion that biden has seen among the traditional biden collision, people of color and young people. biden could make rfk not matter if he did more work to shore up that coalition. i want to point out the idea that he would try to using nikki haley voters to make up for those voters is kind of preposterous, but it totally sounds like something that traditional democrats would think could work. i think nikki haley is totally going to endorse donald trump. she doesn't really have that different positions than he does and she wants to succeed in the republican party and it is trump a posthumous party now. she never got that far away from him except in some specific foreign-policy places. but her social policies and up with him directly. she sounds more moderate. think it's an interesting dilemma. they get is an obvious choice, but they can try to chase these voters who probably will not change their minds, or they can chase after the young voters and more progr
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biden administration officials are saying they are cautiously optimistic that there might be renewed energy by hamas to get to an agreement, and there is just significant pressure. this is hamas terrorizing with propaganda, and these hostages under duress, videos to galvanize the israeli public to continue protesting and increase pressure on netanyahu and his war cabinet to be even more flexible in the terms of this deal. >> i am curious, dana, because he just left the biden administration and the department of defense. how much time has this issue consumed? >> a significant amount of time. this is the priority for the director of the cia, bill burns. brett mcgurk, the middle east coordinator at the white house, devotes a considerable amount of his time to this. we know that officials from the carteret government in doha, the egyptian government in cairo, as well as the war cabinet in israel, authorizing continued, new parameters for the israeli negotiating team, that this is an around-the- clock daily effort to test the premise of what we can do to release these hostages and get to
biden administration officials are saying they are cautiously optimistic that there might be renewed energy by hamas to get to an agreement, and there is just significant pressure. this is hamas terrorizing with propaganda, and these hostages under duress, videos to galvanize the israeli public to continue protesting and increase pressure on netanyahu and his war cabinet to be even more flexible in the terms of this deal. >> i am curious, dana, because he just left the biden...
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he looked overbearing, he kept interrupting, he would let biden speak. even his own people thought he looked overly obnoxious. he changed that by the second debate, but that didn't help him. >> peter baker, look forward to seeing you again. thank you, my friend. that story is in our next hour. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte™. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. and in clini
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trent, despite his collection loss to president biden. >>> liberal justices expressed concerns about a president having total immunity. >> i'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the oval office and you know the seat of criminal activity in this country. >> presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions. he subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else? >> opening statements beginning in the first criminal trial of an american president. >>> the longtime publisher of "the national enquirer" sitting for hours on the witness stand. >> i wanted to protect my company, i wanted to protect myself, and i wanted, also took protect donald trump. >>> prosecutor joshua joshua steinglas asked david pecker. despite the fact that publishing that story would have up to bottom line, you kill the story because it helped donald trump . to which david pecker answers, yes. the conspiracy between donald trump, michael cohen and david pecker, to catch and kill stories in order to benefit donald trump in the 2016 presidential election. the chickens are coming home to roost fo
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we will talk about president biden's re-election action -- efforts. just want to address the elephant in the room. >> i am the only guy in new york right now. apparently you are all there for some party. this is a much larger bottle than the one you had. let's just see how this works. some boss is about to text me. that was busier than i expected. i'm going to hand this to my friend joe for a minute. you have yourself a fantastic rest of the day and a great party tonight. ali velshi starts now. >>> good morning, it is go saturday, april 27th. donald trump goes by many names and titles these days. he is at once the former president of the united states d and the presumptive republican nominee. if you were in a monastic courtroom where his first criminal trial strapped its second week, you may have heard him referred to as the defendant. that is a first for a former president of the united states. to the nine supreme court t justices this week, he was known as the petitioner, asking them to grant him immunity for criminal prosecution. we can now add one
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joe biden will debate donald trump. we look forward to that but i think the hauer's interview -- howard stern interview was important. we will see what happens. i hope to see it. >> one of the things i found interesting as someone who covers the white house is that this interview, if you are somewhat like this was her this often from the president, it's like this is just another interview. but most voters, you have these voters listening to howard stern. so they are driving wherever they are going listening and that is different and probably speak to them in a different way. >> 100%. i think the president needs to reach voters where they are at. he needs to talk to different audiences. i think what he said in the interview, not just the way he humanizes his story to the american public, but you bring up the story where he talked about losing his wife and his family and the way he talked that story and the way he's dealt walk to folks through physical thoughts about it and possibly taking his life at some point. i hurt -
joe biden will debate donald trump. we look forward to that but i think the hauer's interview -- howard stern interview was important. we will see what happens. i hope to see it. >> one of the things i found interesting as someone who covers the white house is that this interview, if you are somewhat like this was her this often from the president, it's like this is just another interview. but most voters, you have these voters listening to howard stern. so they are driving wherever they...
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president biden is happy to debate trump. the expresident's grasp on the base weekends. congressman garcia joins us. and the joke is on us, we will preview d.c.'s big night white house correspondent din perp grab your coffee, settle in and welcome to the weekend. >>> donald trump keeps coming back to one strategy to avoid accountability and delay, delay, delay. the supreme court now seems poised to help the efforts. indicating that it could further stall the election federal election interference trial. this week the justices heard arguments on the presidential immunity claims although they are skeptical he has total immunity, several conservative justices indicated an openness to kick the case to the lower courts. meaning we likely will not see a trial before election day. crucial to understand the stakes here. listen how trump's lawyer defended the former president's efforts to nullify the 2020 election. >> the defendant asked the arizona house speaker to call the legislature into session to hold a hearing based on their claims of election fraud. >> absolutely an offic
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i think the biden administration has done a great job. but i think young people, over time, will look back and regret their views on it, and again i think there's outside forces going on here. >>> next, a woman who spent more than two decades working as a chief of staff to president, george h.w. bush. jean becker joins us with her book on why character matters. acter matters. ok y'all we got ten orders coming in.. big orders! starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant.. that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs. the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that. and they believe they can do the same. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. ( ♪ ♪ ) start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. ha
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and president joe biden and his administration spent the week rolling out new rules that would allow airlines and passengers for flight distraught disruptions. and reinstatement neutrality. and in an interview with howard stern, biden said he would be happy to debate trump. >>> welcome back to dateline, i am andrea canning. what happened to michele neurauter. detectives spotted signs of a struggling michele's bedroom. now, investigators suspected her death had been staged to look like a suicide. they were eager to have another chat with michele's ex- husband, lloyd. meanwhile, a distraught family member was about to get a startling view into michele's final years. here again is dennis murphy, with the ultimatum. >> michele neurauter's mother was still dealing with the loss of her elder child. and on top of that, grief was a long-standing sorrow. estrangement. michele had stopped talking to her mom years before. >> i mr., i love her, i did know what was going on, because we had never had a right. if we had a fight and hung up on each other, you know, we would get over it, but we did n
and president joe biden and his administration spent the week rolling out new rules that would allow airlines and passengers for flight distraught disruptions. and reinstatement neutrality. and in an interview with howard stern, biden said he would be happy to debate trump. >>> welcome back to dateline, i am andrea canning. what happened to michele neurauter. detectives spotted signs of a struggling michele's bedroom. now, investigators suspected her death had been staged to look like...
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2020 election, biden led by 23%. is this driving that drop in support? >> i'm not sure you can explain the drop in support directly to this issue. what is clear, to echo what david said, that strong majorities of young people on and off college campuses across the country have sympathy for both the palestinian people and the israeli people. that sympathy does not necessarily connect to the government. young people are calling for peace by a 5 to 1 margin and asking for a permanent cease- fire. the degree to which president biden, as he did last week, recognizes the innocent civilians, the kidnapped victims in israel, that will connect with younger people. you are right. this race, to me, looks more like the 2012 race where president obama had a 13 or 14 point lead among registered voters to meet romney. we know that doubled between spring and fall. we will see if it happens again. >> i want to pick up on something you just talked about. according to your latest poll, 51% of young voters support a permanent cease-fire
2020 election, biden led by 23%. is this driving that drop in support? >> i'm not sure you can explain the drop in support directly to this issue. what is clear, to echo what david said, that strong majorities of young people on and off college campuses across the country have sympathy for both the palestinian people and the israeli people. that sympathy does not necessarily connect to the government. young people are calling for peace by a 5 to 1 margin and asking for a permanent cease-...
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. >> so your view for the record is that you could, the results results show that biden won? >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak, they never reached the merits. not like bush v. gore where they had the full case. they didn't see. that included many trump appointed justices. >> it is a different makeup. not only is that potentially against the law, but you would lose the lawyer client privilege for your client. the trump campaign. >> i will say it was absolutely done by the democrats. legally done by the trump legal team. under the rules of rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time. epshteyn admiting in our interview after he pressed him and showed the results and the examples and the other corroborating evidence, that he was in the elector plot. these are states like arizona where trump has lost. so it looks a lot like government fraud. joyce vance as promised is back with us. i mentioned the nexus to the new york case. this is another person in the elector plot that is now facing a potential trial. potential co
. >> so your view for the record is that you could, the results results show that biden won? >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak, they never reached the merits. not like bush v. gore where they had the full case. they didn't see. that included many trump appointed justices. >> it is a different makeup. not only is that potentially against the law, but you would lose the lawyer client privilege for your client. the trump campaign....
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trump, pardon the metaphor, whatever biden is doing on the economy a young -- economy among young people? >> there is no question that it is a dampening affect. obviously the president on this issue has to show policy changes in order to get people excited about voting for him and supporting him. i think if you get $20 million as congress approved for joe biden to give to israel, i hope you would hold that and condition it and say you don't just get money until you change behavior. there has to be accountability by netanyahu and a government that kills 34,000 people. i think the freedom that i see on campuses, that freedom of speech, connects by the way to some of the things we are talking about. it is a movement in this country advocating for democracy in a lot of ways, including on campuses. i see this as connected, but you are right that it challenges what is animating people's minds and discourse and the things they are hearing. i hope they hear more about the economic transformations as well. >> come back anytime. faiz shakir, one of my favorite people to talk about good news and ba
trump, pardon the metaphor, whatever biden is doing on the economy a young -- economy among young people? >> there is no question that it is a dampening affect. obviously the president on this issue has to show policy changes in order to get people excited about voting for him and supporting him. i think if you get $20 million as congress approved for joe biden to give to israel, i hope you would hold that and condition it and say you don't just get money until you change behavior. there...
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biden is left alone. he needs a lot of surrogates and people who are his allies to understand what he is doing that is transformational and to go out and talk to people about it. >> i wonder in a week like this where we have seen college campus protests over the war in gaza absolutely ignite the flames of passion and indignation. there have been cries of anti- semitism. there have been strong words about what is happening to the palestinian people. does that issue, i wonder when you talk about transformational change around the economy, does the high-stakes of what is happening, for example in gaza, trump, pardon the metaphor, whatever biden is doing on the economy a young -- economy among young people? >> there is no question that it is a dampening affect. obviously the president on this issue has to show policy changes in order to get people excited about voting for him and supporting him. i think if you get $20 million as congress approved for joe biden to give to israel, i hope you would hold that and
biden is left alone. he needs a lot of surrogates and people who are his allies to understand what he is doing that is transformational and to go out and talk to people about it. >> i wonder in a week like this where we have seen college campus protests over the war in gaza absolutely ignite the flames of passion and indignation. there have been cries of anti- semitism. there have been strong words about what is happening to the palestinian people. does that issue, i wonder when you talk...
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counter protesters are outside the university gates and everyone from president biden and donald trump and the speaker of the house has weighed in. the dean of the columbia journalism school is currently on the negotiating team seeking to resolve issues arising from the protest at the university and he joins me now. great to have you. i understand that specifics are happening and you can't speak to those, but i have been thinking about you the last few days, about what it is like on the campus and your read of the situation that your institution finds itself in. >> well, thank you, chris. the situation fluctuates from minute to minute. sometimes it is a relatively quiet environment, or as quiet as you would get with an encampment of that size happening. then periodically there will be surges and sometimes counter protesters. sometimes counter protesters outside the gates of the institution. one thing that i want to clarify is that a lot of the worst behavior people have seen that has been, admittedly, alarming, has come from people outside the campus gates. the reason why think it is i
counter protesters are outside the university gates and everyone from president biden and donald trump and the speaker of the house has weighed in. the dean of the columbia journalism school is currently on the negotiating team seeking to resolve issues arising from the protest at the university and he joins me now. great to have you. i understand that specifics are happening and you can't speak to those, but i have been thinking about you the last few days, about what it is like on the campus...
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>> i'm going to say joe biden. he went to florida to campaign on tuesday while donald trump was talking court and falling asleep and dealing with all kinds of anxiety. he goes to donald trump some states, talks about abortion rights. two days later, a florida poll shows them two points apart and you know that that is driving donald trump crazy. then he comes to new york and goes on howard stern, donald trump's old haunt. >> has been a rough week for donald. then he wanted all these protesters to show up. i'm telling you, i was there. there was one guy with a bell and a crucifix. ben, you have a cool name, even though it is only three letters. who won the week? >> well, i do want to say who won the week is lines. for years, people have been saying get off my lawn. they finally did it. university presidents have finally said loehmann's get the most right right now if anybody in the country, they get so many rights. so many people have been saying don't tread on me for years. >> i hate you. i hate you. be quiet. i'm s
>> i'm going to say joe biden. he went to florida to campaign on tuesday while donald trump was talking court and falling asleep and dealing with all kinds of anxiety. he goes to donald trump some states, talks about abortion rights. two days later, a florida poll shows them two points apart and you know that that is driving donald trump crazy. then he comes to new york and goes on howard stern, donald trump's old haunt. >> has been a rough week for donald. then he wanted all these...
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the state results as overseen by the independent courts as approved by the supreme court found that biden won and you don't see any chance there that that could be against the law, boris. >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak they never reached the merits. not like bush vgore where they had the full case, they didn't see it. that included many trump justices. >> it was a different makeup of the court and more and more information is coming out every day out of arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, wisconsin. >> if you were aiding and abetting the seating of fraud due lint electors and voter fraud, not only is that potentially against the law, you would lose the lawyer client privilege under the crime fraud provision. >> the perpetration of fraud was absolutely done and it was done by the democrats. everything that was done was done illegally by the trump legal team according to the rules and under the leadership of rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time. epstein admitting in our interview in the back and forth after we pressed hi
the state results as overseen by the independent courts as approved by the supreme court found that biden won and you don't see any chance there that that could be against the law, boris. >> the supreme court never ruled on the merits. >> the cases were so weak they never reached the merits. not like bush vgore where they had the full case, they didn't see it. that included many trump justices. >> it was a different makeup of the court and more and more information is coming...
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and so my choice to them is you choose joe biden and you have somebody who under the democratic process you can air your grievances and try to effect change. >> at least we'll still be a democracy. >> yeah. >> i hope this conversation is to be continued. michael fanone, the book is called "hold the line." reverend sharpton, thank you for spending the hour with us. thank you for letting us into these truly extraordinary times. don't go anywhere. when i have customers come in and ask for something for memory, i recommend prevagen. number one, because it's effective. does not require a prescription. and i've been taking it quite a while myself and i know it works. and i love it when the customers come back in and tell me, "david, that really works so good for me." makes my day. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. (woman) ugh, of course it stops loading at the best part. (tony hale) i wasn't eavesdropping, yes i was. you need verizon. get their crazy powerful network out here, and get six months of disney bundle on them! and it is all good. (vo) that's right, stream on th
and so my choice to them is you choose joe biden and you have somebody who under the democratic process you can air your grievances and try to effect change. >> at least we'll still be a democracy. >> yeah. >> i hope this conversation is to be continued. michael fanone, the book is called "hold the line." reverend sharpton, thank you for spending the hour with us. thank you for letting us into these truly extraordinary times. don't go anywhere. when i have customers...
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as a general election candidate, he would love to debate joe biden. there's nothing precluding joe biden from agreeing to debate. donald trump has made this a case. he has brought on an empty podium to signify he's ready to debate joe biden whenever the current president would like to. there are three debates speaking of -- >> speaking of the man, you may not be able to see this, vaughn -- >> reporter: taking place in september and october. donald trump just walked in. i'm making note of the fact you probably can't see it. he walked back into the courtroom. sorry i interrupted you. >> reporter: it's okay. usually those debates don't take place until september or october, but this was notable because joe biden over the course of the last many months made the suggestion, let's see how he acts before we make a commitment to the debates, a long standing tradition to do. today in the howard stern interview, joe biden suggesting he would look to seek to debate donald trump at the appropriate time, and of course now trump utilizing that to say, well, let's d
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he may be getting closer to something he's saying he wants, a debate with president joe biden. here's the president as he talked to howard stern just a couple of hours ago. >> i don't know if you're going to debate your opponent. >> i am somewhere. i don't know when. i'm happy to debate him. >> joining us now, nbc's dasha burns, two interesting stories there, trump on the campaign trail, and joe biden says, yep, bring it on, we'll debate. >> interesting and related stories, chris, because while trump is in the courtroom and he's been using this, of course, to get media attention. he's very good at capitalizing on those moments, it is extremely limiting. he hasn't been able to go out and campaign. he hasn't been on the fundraising circuit, and this will be the first time next wednesday when he heads to michigan and wisconsin that he has used that middle of weekday off to actually go and hit those battleground states. this is an attempt for him to be able to finally talk to voters, to contrast his records with that of president biden who has been out on the campaign trail, who ha
he may be getting closer to something he's saying he wants, a debate with president joe biden. here's the president as he talked to howard stern just a couple of hours ago. >> i don't know if you're going to debate your opponent. >> i am somewhere. i don't know when. i'm happy to debate him. >> joining us now, nbc's dasha burns, two interesting stories there, trump on the campaign trail, and joe biden says, yep, bring it on, we'll debate. >> interesting and related...
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president biden made clear he understands the depth of feeling on this in. he himself feels deeply on this issue. we are going to continue to make our decisions based on what he believes is in the best interests of the american people and is most consistent with american values. that's what's guiding him today and it will guide him always through the remainder of this conflict. >> jake sullivan, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >>> expert analysis. we will bring in our legal experts to break down the latest developments from the trump hush money trial. that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back after this quick break. eports" is bac this quick break so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. come on. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent infections
president biden made clear he understands the depth of feeling on this in. he himself feels deeply on this issue. we are going to continue to make our decisions based on what he believes is in the best interests of the american people and is most consistent with american values. that's what's guiding him today and it will guide him always through the remainder of this conflict. >> jake sullivan, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >>> expert analysis. we will bring...
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and the same is true with joe biden. i think the more joe biden is out there, you see his numbers soften up a little bit. certainly having donald trump every day reminding people what they don't like about him, that, you know, he was involved in all of these illicit affairs, he has questionable morals and ethics, that he's potentially a criminal for all the reasons why they didn't like him the first time, why they didn't vote for him last time. usually you want to be able to dominate the conversation, you want to set the terms, be out in front shaping the conversation. this is a situation where i don't know that being out front helps you. it doesn't help you with people who you upset over the last eight years for frankly overturning everything your party stood for, the people who voted for nikki haley. >> one thing we can all agree on is that the weekend is the greatest show to be watching with symone and everybody else, so, thank you, guys, great seeing you. >> great to see you, jose. >>> coming up, some colleges now ta
and the same is true with joe biden. i think the more joe biden is out there, you see his numbers soften up a little bit. certainly having donald trump every day reminding people what they don't like about him, that, you know, he was involved in all of these illicit affairs, he has questionable morals and ethics, that he's potentially a criminal for all the reasons why they didn't like him the first time, why they didn't vote for him last time. usually you want to be able to dominate the...
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i think when joe biden says it is scranton values over mar-a-lago values. he says we have seen people like trump in our lives who look down on us, we're nauseated by people like that, and i think there is a lot of people out there who can relate to that, and i think when trump thumbs his nose at this lawyer, at this judge, and we'll see what the consequences are, i think that reinforces the notion, yeah, i don't want that again for four more years in the white house. >> john, you were asked to at one point defend trump in these legal troubles that he is embroiled in right now. as you see this hush money trial unfold, do you have any regrets in turning him down? >> well, i was just not able to do it at the time. so, i don't look back. but sorry to keep coming back to michael cohen, but he's a defense lawyer's dream to examine. i would love to jump in, in my dreams, and cross-examine michael cohen. i don't have any regrets. i think now trump has good lawyers. and i think what -- the biggest challenge is the whole world is watching this case. and i think we al
i think when joe biden says it is scranton values over mar-a-lago values. he says we have seen people like trump in our lives who look down on us, we're nauseated by people like that, and i think there is a lot of people out there who can relate to that, and i think when trump thumbs his nose at this lawyer, at this judge, and we'll see what the consequences are, i think that reinforces the notion, yeah, i don't want that again for four more years in the white house. >> john, you were...
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quote, president biden just signed a bill that could ban president biden from using tiktok but mr. biden plans to keep using tiktok until the new law forces him off of it. campaign advisors were laboring on wednesday to explain the competing rationale. every president seeking a second term finds himself juggling go different jobs at the same time. running the country and running for office. the commander in chief has to worry about what might be best for the nation even if it's not necessarily best for his electoral chances. israel is an example. he needs the support of young voters. where is do you see this conflict? >> you see campaign joe making life difficult for foreign politician joe. he says things on the campaign trail that may seem at odds at times with the official government policy of his administration. just last week on the campaign trail he was telling a story of being shot down in the pacific and possibly eaten by cannibals in new guinea. at the time when the president has been courting papua new guinea as part of his indo-pacific strategy to counter chinese aggressi
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trump despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election certification on january 6th looming large at the high court as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct that could be immune from prosecution. >> that was nbc's lara jarrett reporting. and joining us now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thanks for waking up early because i think one of the biggest legal issues i have to ask you about from watching and listening yesterday is the argument from trump's attorneys that the justices have to distinguish between personal and official acts of a president. what did you make of that argument? it got pretty dark at various points. >> yesterday was a day of doomsday hypotheticals, which really echoes the socratic method that is taught at law schools where you give someone a hypothetical, you speak the facts, and you take it to maybe an absurd result,
trump despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election certification on january 6th looming large at the high court as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct that could be immune from prosecution. >> that was nbc's lara jarrett reporting. and joining us now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thanks for...
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. >> as long as joe biden is reelected. because, if that was a given fact, if he was running with say the 18 point lead in the polls of bill clinton had at a certain point in his reelection campaign, there would be less nervousness. we would know eventually this process will work, and if they send it back to the judge, and have an evidentiary hearing and bring witnesses in and away she cannot now. there would then be some actual underwrote testimony about all this stuff before the election, if they do that. eventually, you got through all this prosecution. i think joe biden is going to be reelected, so i'm not terribly concerned about what they will do in terms of slowing this down. what you saw, the fundamentals of what we saw, and what we discovered clearly today is that there is a group on the supreme court who believe that their duty is to protect the constitution and the law and there's a possibly larger group who believe their duty is to protect the president and not all precedents. the president named trump. that tha
. >> as long as joe biden is reelected. because, if that was a given fact, if he was running with say the 18 point lead in the polls of bill clinton had at a certain point in his reelection campaign, there would be less nervousness. we would know eventually this process will work, and if they send it back to the judge, and have an evidentiary hearing and bring witnesses in and away she cannot now. there would then be some actual underwrote testimony about all this stuff before the...
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biden has opened his first field office, there. everyone writes off florida, i get it, we aren't purple, we are decidedly more red than purple, but biden himself is saying that florida is at play, especially considering that constitutional amendments are on the ballot when it comes to abortion access. what's your thought about whether or not this is a kind of, you know, hopes and dreams thing in florida, or is there a real possibility that he could make some headway, there? >> i think that one of the things you get, especially when you raise the money that president biden has, and he's opening field offices across the country, that it gives him a lot of flexibility to expand that map, and certainly, florida should be part of that quotient. really, that constitutional amendment on the ballot, we know that these issues drive voters to the polls and the voters that they do drive to the polls are exactly the ones that the biden campaign needs, particularly among women, expanding that gender gap, that he enjoys. i think it is a really s
biden has opened his first field office, there. everyone writes off florida, i get it, we aren't purple, we are decidedly more red than purple, but biden himself is saying that florida is at play, especially considering that constitutional amendments are on the ballot when it comes to abortion access. what's your thought about whether or not this is a kind of, you know, hopes and dreams thing in florida, or is there a real possibility that he could make some headway, there? >> i think...
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they were adopting the trump notion by the way, that this is a biden prosecution. and, then the next administration will obviously prosecute the previous president. to do that, they had to completely ignore the 230 years of history that preceded the donald trump president suicide. these are guys who pretend they are amateur historians. not a single justice there bought the trump argument. the trump argument is not for selective immunity. it is for absolute immunity. and every one of them basically found a way of saying that is ridiculous. and the alito way included that thing that you showed where he kept saying i'm not talking about these facts. now, the good side of that coin is these facts are so bad i can't talk about them. that's is good side of that coin. >> i think thomas may be the exception. i think thomas may think all presidents are criminals and so all presidents need absolute immunity. because everyone is like me. >> that's the great mystery. he didn't recuse himself or maybe his definition of recusal is i will talk the least. clarence thomas spoke onl
they were adopting the trump notion by the way, that this is a biden prosecution. and, then the next administration will obviously prosecute the previous president. to do that, they had to completely ignore the 230 years of history that preceded the donald trump president suicide. these are guys who pretend they are amateur historians. not a single justice there bought the trump argument. the trump argument is not for selective immunity. it is for absolute immunity. and every one of them...
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. >> none of us at this table believe that they believe any of these rules apply to joe biden. i'm going to hold you until we come back on the other side of the break. they're coming right back. stay right there. more on this madness. at three in the morning. any time of the day. what people don't know is that not all dirt is the same. you need dirt with the right kind of nutrients. look at this new organic soil from miracle-gro. everybody should have it. it worked great for us. this is as good as gold in any garden. if people only knew that it really is about the dirt. you're a dirt nerd. huge dirt nerd. i'm proud of it! [ryan laughs] hi, i'm chris and i lost 57 pounds on golo. golo isn't complicated. i'm proud of it! i don't have to follow a restrictive diet, and i don't have to spend a lot of time making meals. using golo was truly transformative. it was easy, and inexpensive. lowering bad cholesterol can be hard, even with a statin. diets and exercise add to the struggle. today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio. with a statin, leqvio is p
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the proper certification of the next president, the one in this case who beat him, president-elect biden, by the congress. that core point is not very complicated. let me say it in english as i round out my reporting on today's case. breaking the law is not enforcing it. stealing elections is not protecting them. committing voter fraud and elector fraud is not election integrity. duh, again. now some day there could be a tough case where the court does weigh potential prosecutorial overreach against a president who was just doing their job or prosecuting a difficult war with second guessing afterward, but no disinterested expert seriously thinks that's the case here. today some conservative justices claim they have to step in though because there needs to be a rule for the future, not about defendant trump, they said, but for the future later hypothetical cases. that's what they've got to do. well, as a long-time court watcher, i call bull. there's never been an insurrection like this before. the legal task at hand is how to prosecute it, not to anxiously, neurotically cogutate how to pr
the proper certification of the next president, the one in this case who beat him, president-elect biden, by the congress. that core point is not very complicated. let me say it in english as i round out my reporting on today's case. breaking the law is not enforcing it. stealing elections is not protecting them. committing voter fraud and elector fraud is not election integrity. duh, again. now some day there could be a tough case where the court does weigh potential prosecutorial overreach...
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his claims president biden doesn't have the stamina to do the job. it's trump who is falling asleep. it's trump who looks week. the thing that ultimately undoes strongmen is when the emperor is exposed as having no clothes. there's a little of that going on. that's one of the values of putting people through the judicial process. >> trump always tells us why. the reason he didn't want this to happen is for what you just articulated. stick around. you stick around. molly, thank you so much for spending the hour with us. sue, thank you for racing out to the location and joining us for the hour. we will continue to call on both of you. >>> still to come, at the united states supreme court today, the other trump legal team representing donald trump in the other alleged criminality, making their argument is a president is above the law to next level stuff. really nuts. arguing that a coup could be official presidential business and that there is nothing wrong with ordering one. we will dive into that and what that means for our democracy next. sometimes j
his claims president biden doesn't have the stamina to do the job. it's trump who is falling asleep. it's trump who looks week. the thing that ultimately undoes strongmen is when the emperor is exposed as having no clothes. there's a little of that going on. that's one of the values of putting people through the judicial process. >> trump always tells us why. the reason he didn't want this to happen is for what you just articulated. stick around. you stick around. molly, thank you so much...
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joe biden in 2020. and in 2022, they won every statewide office except a superintendent of public instruction. that was the democratic party. for this, the republican party, it's just another dagger. another difficult set of headlines, and another expense, frankly, legal expense that the arizona republican party is going to have to deal with at a time that they would like to be focused on winning in november's election six months from now. the trump campaign, the rnc, they have fewer than five individuals on the ground presently right now. no apparent state director in the state of arizona. at a time where they should be focusing on the future, yet again they are tasked in another battleground state with dealing with an indictment and dealing with serious criminal charges back to the 2020 election from several years ago now. >>> i want to bring in former sdny criminal division deputy chief, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, kristy greenberg. we're going to go back to the other developin
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could president biden someday be charged with unlawfully inducing immigrants to enter the country illegally for his border policies. the answer to all these questions is no. prosecuting the president for his official acts is an innovation with no foothold in history or tradition and incompatible with our constitutional structure. the original meaning of the executive vesting clause, the framers' understanding and intent an unbroken historical tradition spanning 200 years and policy considerations rooted in the separation of powers all council against it. i welcome the court's questions. >> to your last point, could you be more precise as to the source of this immunity. >> the source of the immunity is principally rooted in the executive vesting clause in article 2 of -- >> how does that happen? >> the source of it, justice thomas, i think is as you described a separate opinion that the executive vesting clause does not include only executive powers laid out explicitly therein but encompasses all the powers that were originally understood to be included therein, and marbury against madison i
could president biden someday be charged with unlawfully inducing immigrants to enter the country illegally for his border policies. the answer to all these questions is no. prosecuting the president for his official acts is an innovation with no foothold in history or tradition and incompatible with our constitutional structure. the original meaning of the executive vesting clause, the framers' understanding and intent an unbroken historical tradition spanning 200 years and policy...
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president biden poking fun at donald trump's hair at an event where biden picked up another major union endorsement. it was all in fun. >>> meanwhile, today is a big legal day for the ex-president, not so fun. hours from now, former president trump will be sitting in a manhattan courtroom as his hush money trial is set to resume. this as the judge overseeing the case has yet to rule if trump violated his gag order. >>> in washington, d.c., the supreme court will hear oral arguments over trump's claim that he is immune from criminal prosecution in the d.c. election interference case. >>> plus, arizona's attorney general has charged mark meadows, rudy giuliani, and other key trump allies, as well as 11 so-called fake electors with state crimes after they attempted to keep trump in power following the 2020 election. i don't know. did you see that coming? >> i did not. >> i didn't see that coming. >> i really didn't. >>> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." willie, did you see that coming? >> not this one. i mean, we suspected it was coming sometime, but didn't see it coming yesterday. a
president biden poking fun at donald trump's hair at an event where biden picked up another major union endorsement. it was all in fun. >>> meanwhile, today is a big legal day for the ex-president, not so fun. hours from now, former president trump will be sitting in a manhattan courtroom as his hush money trial is set to resume. this as the judge overseeing the case has yet to rule if trump violated his gag order. >>> in washington, d.c., the supreme court will hear oral...
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president biden poking fun at donald trump's hair at an event where biden picked up another major union endorsement. it was all in fun. >>> meanwhile, today is a big legal day for the
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arizona's elec the people ofti arizona elected president biden. unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. the state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. these chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. these are serious indictments. >> as for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this does appear ut he as unindicted coconspiratorter number 1. joining me now are nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard, and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. my first thought was okay he's going to bleed out because we saw a similar scenario minus trump or plus trump in georgia and we've seen pdls there, and i just wonder this is a fairly relatively widea net, 18 peopl in this. is your expectation some of them are going to plead out and become witnesses for state? >> ye
arizona's elec the people ofti arizona elected president biden. unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. the state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. these chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies....
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electors, despite the fact that biden had actually won that state. the charges here, there are four counts here, as i see them. conspiracy is the first count two, i like this, fraudulent schemes and artifices account is fraudulent schemes and practices in counts four to nine are forgery those last counts having to do, and this is something that we have seen in other places, these individuals, plain as day, attested to something in a document we have access to that they sent to the national archives that was just simply not true. they said that they were the duly elected electors of the state of arizona, signed their names to it. >> they signed their names to it in they sent it to congress and the national archives and if you go into google, anybody at home can go google it in the document, they are online via the federal registry this is a, i think, though, where this comes into play is that the extent to which this even extends risk beyond the explicit acts of november, december, and january of 2020, in 2021. but kelly ward stayed on in her position
electors, despite the fact that biden had actually won that state. the charges here, there are four counts here, as i see them. conspiracy is the first count two, i like this, fraudulent schemes and artifices account is fraudulent schemes and practices in counts four to nine are forgery those last counts having to do, and this is something that we have seen in other places, these individuals, plain as day, attested to something in a document we have access to that they sent to the national...
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president joe biden. donald trump keeps complaining on and on that he should not have to be in court, that this trial is keeping him off the campaign trail but today, there was no trial and the biden campaign put out a statement about trumps campaign events today. he had none. does trumps an activity today just show you that he doesn't care whether or not the trial is going on? he had a day today to be in wisconsin or arizona or florida. he did not do any of that. >> yes, i think in fairness, he had one day but it is pretty clear that he does not want this trial to be going on. he does not want to be sitting in there all day but the larger point is this. there is no other traction getting out there for this campaign and i guess he had a day in north carolina last weekend but it was kind of rained out because of the storm so other than his legal troubles, there is just really no part of the trump story we are hearing about right now and he has predicated much of his political fortunes at this point on vict
president joe biden. donald trump keeps complaining on and on that he should not have to be in court, that this trial is keeping him off the campaign trail but today, there was no trial and the biden campaign put out a statement about trumps campaign events today. he had none. does trumps an activity today just show you that he doesn't care whether or not the trial is going on? he had a day today to be in wisconsin or arizona or florida. he did not do any of that. >> yes, i think in...
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president biden did. number one. number two, working people in the pension system has been exposed by corporate greed. in 2008, the crush of our economy impacted millions of working people's pensions, and the relief that was given to union members and their pensions during the biden- harris administration, it literally saved and changed lives. we have a pension fund in our own union that was based in southern california that needed relief, and we had workers -- workers, not corporate owners and not ceos -- get bailed out in the american rescue plan and get 15 years of missed pension payments paid back to them. that is what it looks like to build an economy through the middle class and not from the top down. >> do the workers know who did that? >> listen, we -- that is the whole reason that our unions came together to horse president biden today, and we have a duty to tell our members the truth and that is what we are doing. we have started now and we are going to continue through election day to tell our members the
president biden did. number one. number two, working people in the pension system has been exposed by corporate greed. in 2008, the crush of our economy impacted millions of working people's pensions, and the relief that was given to union members and their pensions during the biden- harris administration, it literally saved and changed lives. we have a pension fund in our own union that was based in southern california that needed relief, and we had workers -- workers, not corporate owners and...
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the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. a grand jury has handed down 11 felony indictments. these charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. they are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. these are serious indictments. >> as for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this indictment. but he does appear as unindicted coconspirator number one. joining me now are nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard and lisa ruben. first, my first thought when i read this was okay. who will plead out? because we saw a similar scenario plus trump in georgia and we have seen plea deals there. and i wonder, this is a fairly wide net. is your expectation some of them will plead out? >> some of the usual suspects are already unindicted coconspirators because they chose in advance of the indictment to cooperate. namely, ken chezboro appear to be unindicted coconspirator four. on the other hand, you have a
the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. a grand jury has handed down 11 felony indictments. these charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. they are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. these are serious indictments. >> as for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this indictment. but he does appear as unindicted coconspirator number...
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the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent unlawful transfer of the presidency. a state grand jury made up of everyday regular arizonans have now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors, as well as several others connected to the scheme. these charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these charges are class two, four, and five felonies. these are serious indictments. >> as far donald trump himself, he is not charged in this indictment but he does appear as unindicted co-conspirator number one. joining me now are nbc news correspondent von hilliard and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. my first thought when i read this was, okay, who is going to pay up? we saw a similar scenario minus 20 1+20 and we saw plea deals there and i wonder, this is a fairly, relatively wide net, 18 people in this. is your expectations some of them will plead out and become witnesses for the state ? >> yes, althou
the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent unlawful transfer of the presidency. a state grand jury made up of everyday regular arizonans have now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors, as well as several others connected to the scheme. these charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these charges are class two, four, and five felonies. these are serious...