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of the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president emmanuel, the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion. the

cross talking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess oprah desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert in international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel, tom, mom. he is a lecture at leon university and in nice we crossed to alex, become well rich. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst. all right, gentlemen, cross cycles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i would somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're in france so nice. so i started out with the french president here. he says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zelinski. so it, i don't see that as m. b and beauty, i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find the beauty, right. it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about. really funny because you see like it's, it's,

it's that simple going all along the lines. you can say he's going to send troops and if the mind breaks or if you create, makes a request. so i think you create what i've already made. that request submitted a had a chance to meet and request these me. these are, you'll find the sky ideas, and i felt like little napoleon here he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need while they don't really not even bathroom on it. you talk any st politician . nobody wants to go in. so you create officially, now the other side of the court is we know that since 2014, they couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine unofficially. so what does this make of what the processes think? what makes a big difference actually, when you look at a different diplomatic for your face, when you say you're basically on the ground? well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back, we know what the situation is on the ground. winds have been broken time and time again because you created a body off, their backing off, their mind is being broken very quickly as solidly in the past few months. so why

would background say this posture, i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military gear and europe, they, they, armstrong, we know that about france, but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sort as much as like your rambling it. i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about how to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes how the adults in the room and we know when back from that with them we all know who looked like the adult in the room. so let's. ready let's stop playing these uh, you know, to slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he's trying to be the hoc in nato. but you know, it'd be the,

the way the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and the silence he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy? alfred. a. well, obviously of credit is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrow against uh, watch them eventually just to say face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that grid lock. you would

need to break the break as you need to accept the fact that the whether we like it or not, we live on only one planet and uh, we cannot afford to continue with escalation. what is not only mat crohn who's mad it is joe biden? and anthony blanket and all of phillips and his board minister and uh, recently, uh, so like this for minutes or um, uh, david camera on there. oh, using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now, now that you brought up a camera on, i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he, very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want hand wherever they want, even against russia, russia proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well,

they will respond to any use of weapons or use against rush or use by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. your looks like and not chief of for our western states and we tried so sort of trying to take the lead know of the and not chief for underlying got to are you create a new will be the winnings along the rush. josh would lose the war, and this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or in their relies, there being a doctor that means interpreting risk of crises from the beginning paper, no race. they understand more, more about or, or just not to less fate and the images and much more like overall wisdom the just

been don't know what to do more to, to steal up your us credit or andrew, or the way the filed is to increase. or the, your ok should not chief like crew putting troops on the wrong, the beating the size or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french fun of you, your good or so these are in town or the debate in france. we'd be a nixton's group and part of an approaching wherever the push the car brought to be money written by cool is very is gonna lose the butter because or somebody of bonus ronada these main or position be for me still about the on nothing look than is know the dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you have made money very much. okay. so the money and my co liked great falsities, not cheap of being very strongly international. they don't pay very many. well let

me ask the question. i do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine. apparently they're already there. so i'm, i mean, i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across to make that decision. i mean, or even the people make a decision here the same, this the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. the extension was because, or it looks like you're this narrative is increasing on the rising mistakes on in v . and we don't know because to look pretty border or imaging about home might to be your feel obliged to do something to do. it was in to really troops officially. we don't know, but or many general are seen for us expos, safety issues. procedure would be a disaster because for us as not because i really teach with strategy, come big, you t your need, the huge movie tell recopy, beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for i entered city war and this is why

it is so denture, was renewal, but we also already some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact. and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the grounds? and the, even though we've been minimum reverse of troops, right? each would be a disaster. un, under most a french deeper does that really? but if you main politic, are parties of position does that really? but, but it would be smart tv student going on a think on to the end of your painted extra estimate, maybe. well, i mean, you know, it's, it, let me go to alex back and needs it. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know the problem, alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? and what about ukraine?

go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and i what are the say the rest of wants to take over? all of you create that has never been the, the, the idea if anything, the 1st move is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more common sense of the people that are running the show at the time for russian to take over ukraine. again, that that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the, to the have. they are holding the lands and the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak, their language ross, the boss there just to teach their, their kids. russians to watch the rights to have their signs up and russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so what russia did was defending gives people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush. i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your brushing missiles. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their targets,

just like western missiles. don't have to go up to the board or resume, but for some reason they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west. the us and friends and in the have, you know, people have been talking more forever. i was with the you went of see all of this is the 99 is, is money. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups, the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash with this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans. and when they can use, you could use as content and ponder and those poor civilians are going through. this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you, before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is background going to do then? well, they say that the red pression mercenaries of what, well the power in leaf,

and they say, is already there. they say the forwarding legion's already there. the form is ever an j. c. up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now. just like probably all righty. i'm still going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion now as you can stay with our team, the at the end of the 18th century, britain began the illegal opium trade in china. these hard drugs causing addiction and literally destroying the human body became a gold mine, or businessman from the foggy owl beyond. however, the ruling chinese jean dynasty tried to resist and to stop the illegal trade,

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of opium took on collazo proportions and led to the horrible depths of millions of ordinary chinese the oh, what else seemed wrong? just don't safe house because after care and engagement equals the trail, when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the welcome back to the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt remind you we're discussing. you create the

okay, let's go back to l for it in geneva, which is for every action there's an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rush has decided to a start exercise is a, uh, a new killer drills for the gum, cooper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. i know they do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world are parallel reality and the public, the masses are subject to re lend class brain washing. i mean, and it's not only new york times, washington post, and then frank,

well down define. and so i don't even hear in switzerland. you re nonsense in there? no, i have to over to the title and organizations like mine. i'm in the do you name a international piece research institute, the get rate. we have pulled out a blueprint for peas and ukraine. we have sent it to the all ca for the whole in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland. i was was, was that and we are going to have uh, in may and do this so called peace conference ive been doing it and stuck on lake road south. now they are going to be a lot of blueprint for piece. the 10 point plan of uh, sure landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. but the truck point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind, all the africans is good. uh,

the international progress organization has put off a very good plan. also, both frances had put out a plan. so uh, there are ideas out there. and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but uh, if uh, say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc, might lead to the conference to discard the 10 point applying of isolated scale. it's totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well, it is, it's interesting now for that, you mentioned a member of the countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right. now, um, but no western leader does that no western lead,

no one in nato. does that and put in and so now direct tag i add on permanent. hang on, hang on, i'm putting into now you ration. he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward. it appears the menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden. people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining a security for all players. they never talk about language. go ahead in brussels. yeah. so unfortunately for extinction you appear on the memphis states of natal. i'm not through the silver ring anymore, but resp or are they your? i think they the she to more or while you are g 2 up to your ah, so the wire to be 0 attempt exist a bunch with a run ca. we'd be nate to that with any independent votes, and this is like your,

the, your pants are competing to be the best on each of washington. and you're trying to also, at the same time to see, to of, of, back to you in case of for trump will be elected because they seem to the united states with the less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's a sick time of a your, the photo, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nice in to be sure. or the hey, monique, of washington in europe and to, to, to found video own leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because we're menu. well, i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too insulting here,

but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this from a crown. he is, he's what he's channeling his entered the gall. he can't find it. um, cameron is no churchill, i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go. or exactly. oh, because or the part that you kind of trust easier or afraid? very your low quality to be frank. those seems the departure of the board and for us on more more you've been seeing prison on the front. small more lines on the i would say are under sex on the water, we go to the independent voice and are image even more cool or sure doesn't have any experience of the read crises of low photoshop. she and i was there last

president with experience in the war and are they event, they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler, a francis should do it takes the lead was your project, but the e. u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance under the can be done on the stand up to position themselves in this new emergency put out well emerging. we're actually you is losing power on the left side, only. uh, and hardwood cvt close the speaking of the aggressive out of the weight. we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world as we know, we want, we want to be a target for in a new killer war i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving

a nod to washington. you. where are you? where are your guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we need to talk? suppose people, instead of the post politicians, which are almost obviously bought. i don't think the if he talked anybody that's close anywhere here. you're of a big book. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happened to ukraine. they're, they're still in some sense in the he, you added your but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking into carissa, you listen to some of their politicians. these are people that have seen it, especially the crisis i get outside of the you talking to serve use you know that there's a whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to them to rush to like it by them delicate court. it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. ready stations know exactly what

happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go little bit north, the hungary, then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, it alford, it seems to me, with all this loose endangers rhetoric, coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something out. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, it was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because then what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as the us incursions in vietnam failed. same as it was incursion in afghanistan failed the why stuff it very easily, just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in

a very difficult position. there are intelligent people like dominique, the the ball will have uh, is that very intelligent brings you have in germany goff up on sean bog and several older politicians, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the leads between our so called democratically elected leaders and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends or nearly they don't want more. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are probably back in the service of washington or wait one day historian, full pallets, or if you're with lawyers, that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of proofs. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at

that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers? why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know your opinion leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's really remember. let's remember, his fame was book of asleep, woke up from christopher crock. call we arrive. oh, the 1st world war is tots, each. and do each countries a different interest to be before it will be

a little kind of war on venue. we came to with 1st of all, because we were miscalculations. are a lot of prop park on the, from all sides there with lying in the newspapers, to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sites on internet, yukon, and do mobile, or people or folks upper e for us, very read. the more more i tell not cheap p textbooks, whichever tools do what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good the surprise or, and also, or many military expos, actually would be lying on tv, on the rich situation because they'd been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because what research is not happening and are very, very find only on gra cvt on the well 9 and we're going to end up selling or we're

going to end the program on the same. you know that we started it, this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for gentleman. that's all the time we have a one, a think my guessing needs brussels and engineers. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. and remember across the rules, the acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do. you do not watch my new show. search like why watch something that's so different. listed of opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go as like, change and whatever you do, don't want my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction. but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the waiting. thank

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