collaborating outside the j. c. po, a framework to maintain their working relationship. both parties are now working on a documents based on the previous agreement for future cooperation on is the photos of the swamp republican baran are perpetually discontented bounty. ron and the i a, a ties and one to make doubts and difficulties on the path of iran and the i a and, and the value the decisions that they make. but mr. grossi and i recognize the joint statement as a proper cornerstone for the ties between iran and the i. a we continue to be the diesel diesel instrument. it is a clear indication of the area where we need to work the space to 80 concrete steps. well, progress appears to be on track between one and the atomic agency to one has voice concerns about what is perceived as, as well as disruptive role in the process. one says israel has provided fabricated

documents through media on the i, a officials and it, it to tarnish. there was nuclear reputation. here. most of the use impartiality regarding its nuclear programs has been compromised by political pressures from israel and the western world which are pushing for closer scrutiny of it was nuclear activities. i had the opportunity to investigate groceries approach to it was claims about as well as yours. i want you to mitigate the professional external influence is particularly from countries such as well on your professional and impartial oversize your program. we don't look at excelitas here. ideally, we'd be some of my role is to look into the actions that we have here on either agreement with you. so that was going to qualify the sell $80.00 stuff may cease past visits by groceries. where while i have seen him adopt

a conciliatory and soft tone towards that one's nuclear program only to shift gears upon returning home. however, there one is hopeful that a draft cooperation document one ensure the a's on the biased assessment of its nuclear program. and she'll the countries engagement with the agency from western and he's really meddling. all right, that's going to do for me for now. but do stay with us. my colleague, nicky aaron will be in next in just about 30 minutes with warnings by the the the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president emmanuel, the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion. the crust sucking ukraine. i'm joined by my guest over desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert on international order in brussels. we turn to peer emanuel tom month. he is a lecture at lee on university and in nice we crossed to alex, become well rich. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst, or a gentleman cross cycles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. i'll let somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're

in france, so nice. so i started out with the french president here. he says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops day fell troops. somebody's troops, i don't know of. and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zelinski. so it, i don't see that as m. b, a and beauty, i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find a deity, right? it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about early from because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple. going along the lines of him saying he's going to send troops. and if a mind breaks or if you create, makes a request. well, i think you create what i've already made that requested, but i had a chance to make a request easily. these are, you'll find the sky ideas. and i felt like little napoleon here, he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need while they don't really not been back in the morning. you talked and he said, politician, nobody wants to go until you create

a fish. now the other side of the corn is we know that since 2014, they couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody sit on the ground ukraine unofficially. so what does this make of what the process is? a stable makes a big difference. actually when you look it up at the diplomatic for your face, when you say you're basically on the ground, well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground winds have been broken time and time again because you creative backing off their backing off their line is being broken very quickly and solely in the past few months. so why would background say this posture? i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military here in europe. they, they, armstrong, we know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sort as much as i get rambling it. i hope that the president, she told him

a thing or 2 about the call to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes how the adults in a room and we know when macro met with him, we all know who looks like the i don't in the room. so let's pull back, let's stop playing these uh, you know, to slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he just wants to be the pocket in nato. but you know, the, the, the way, the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and the silence he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy? alfred as well obviously of credit is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another

price. napoleon, i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrow against the lost them eventually just to say, face to declare war on process, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that gridlock, you would need to break the break as you need to accept the fact that the whether we like it or not, we'll live on only one planet. and uh, we cannot afford to continue with escalation, but it's not only mat crohn who's mad it is joe biden. and anthony blanket and all of phillips and his born minister. and recei. uh so much.

and it's 4 minutes or um, uh, david camera on there. oh, using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now the other 2 brought up a camera on i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want and wherever they want, even against rush, i brought you a proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against rush are used by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. it looks like on the chief of for or west on states and the really front so. so trying to take the lead, know of the and not chief for underlying got to are, you create

a new will be the winnings along the russia should lose football. and this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or in the very relies, there being a top 30 misinterpreting re so crises from the beginning paper. notice they understand more more about or are we not to less fate and the image in my corner, like overall wisdom, the just been don't know what to do more to, to still appear as critical or andrew are the wave of filed is to increase or view your okesha narrative like crew twitching troops on the wrong, the beating the size or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french point of view. your good or so these are in town or the debate in

france. we'd be a mixture and set you up in front of an approaching wherever the purchasing car bought to remind you. good bye. cool is very good. not lose the butter because there are some of them found us ronada these main or position before. are you still about? they're not on buying, looking uh is no, but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you've made money very much. okay. so the money to my quote would like to reinforce these narrative of being very strongly international. they don't have very many, well, let me ask the question, do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine? apparently they're already there. so i'm, i mean, i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across to make that decision. i mean, or even the people make a decision here that the same this the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. of each denture was because or it looks like you're this

narrative is increasing on the rising mistakes on india. and we don't know because to look pretty boiler or immigrating back home might to be your feel obliged to do something to do to us. and really troops of you shortly. we don't know. but or many general are seen front expert stacy issues. she's or you wouldn't be a disaster or because a friend says nothing of coverage with strategy come big, you t your need, the huge military copy beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for i entered city wall. this is why it is so denture was renewal, but we also already some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the grounds? and the, even though we've been minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster un, under most a french peeper, does that really?

but to be made for, to take our properties of position, disagree be but, but this narrow tv student is going on a think on to the end of your pen. addictions may, may be, well, i mean, you know, it's, it, let me go to alex back and needs it. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know, the problem, alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? and what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean that's a big question and i what are they say? the rest of the wants to take over all of you create that has never been the, the, the idea. if anything, the 1st lube is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody else in charge with a little bit more concepts. the people that are running the show at the time for russian to take over ukraine, again, that that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the, to the hand. they're holding the land and the russian speakers with their that lost

their rights to speak their language, ross butler, just to teach their, their kids russians to watch the rights to have their signs up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so uh, what russia did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush. i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your russian distance. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their target. just like western missiles don't have to go up to the border of russia, but for some reason they thought it'd be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west, the u. s. brands and in the head of your people i've been talking more forever

honest with the you out of see all of this is the 1990 this month. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups in the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash with this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans. and when they can use, you could use as content and ponder and those poor civilians are going through. this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you, before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is the crowd going to do that? well, they say that the red pression mercenaries of what? well, the foreign lead time they say is already there, they say the forwarding legions already, there are before images everywhere, and you and j. c, up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014. and i'm sure they're, they're there to some degree right now. just like probably all righty. i'm still going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. now you can stay with our team, the,

the, the garage of business and the system. the screen of the boss can do. i just need to get the key at the washington state, the bruce to complete the rest of the guys just to phone up, send 2 professional men to prep the list of over the age. would they use the

welcome back? the prospect were all things are considered. i'm peter about true mind you were discussing. you create the . okay, let's go back to l for it in geneva, which is for every action there is an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or russia has decided to a start exercise is a a new killer drills for them. cooper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree. but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is

a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred and i know they do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world, their power and reality, and the public. the masses are subject to re lend class brain washer. i mean, and it's not only new york times, washington post, and then frank, well down defined it's, i don't even hear in switzerland. you re nonsense in there? no, i have to over to the title and organizations like mine, i'm in the dba. international piece research institute, the get rate, we have pulled out a blueprint for peace and ukraine. we have sent it to the all say to a pinhole in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland i was, was with citizen, we are going to have uh, in may and do this. um, so called peace conference. i've said brother going stuck on lake road south. now,

there are gonna be a lot of blueprints for piece. the 10 point plan off. uh, sure landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. but, uh, the truck point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind of the africans is good. uh, the international progress organization has put up a very good plan. also, both francis has put out a plan. so there are ideas out there. and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but if uh, say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico, etc might lead the conference to this car. the 10 point

applying of isolated scale is totally unrealistic. i start to look more possibilities of a compromise. well, it is. it's interesting now for the, you mentioned a member of the countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right now, um, but no western leader does that. no western lead, no one in nato. does that. and putting into nelson. right. hang on. perfect, hang on, hang on pollutants and now you ration, he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward in a period menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden. people from cameron from sergeant schultz, where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining a security for all players. they never talk about language. go ahead and brussels.

yeah, so unfortunately for i've seen it in europe and a member states of natal are not through the silver ring anymore, but resp or are they your i think they use this feeling more are y e r g 2 up to your us or why are to be 0 attempting system and with a run cuz we'd be nate to lunch with an independent voters. and this is like your, the, your pants are competing to be the best artist of washington. and you're trying to, oh, so at the same time to see to of, of back to you in case of for trend. would it be effective because they've seen through the united states with less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's a sick time evey your, the photo, the main job or the car objectives of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nation to be sure, or the hey, monique, of washington in europe and to,

to, to found val owned leadership weaving, or vis, systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because visual here menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this from a crown. he is, he's is channeling his inner, the gall, he can't find it. cameron is no churchill. i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go is exactly oh because or the part of the class is are afraid. very, your low quality to be frank. those seems the departure of the voting for us on

more more use bins. seeing prison in the front, small more lines on the or i would say, or under sex on the water, we go to the independent voice. and or it might even more cool or so it doesn't. the, in the experience of the read crises of low shock. she and i was there last president with experience in war, and are they use it? they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler, a friend said she'll do it takes the lead vis europe at the project. but the e u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the the can be done on the stand up to position them serve in this new emergency put on work emerging. we're actually, you is losing power on the side only in a good cvt. close the speaking of the young, aggressive out of the weight,

we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nuclear missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want, we want to be a target for in a nuclear war. i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want it, you want it, you're giving a nod to washington. you. where are you? where are you guys in europe to get the french forget the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we need to talk suppose people instead of the post politicians withdrawal obviously, but i don't think the if you talk to anybody that's as low as 80, we're here to hear of a big book. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine. they're, they're still in some sanity in the you added your. but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking to increase and you listen to some of their politicians. these are people that have seen it,

especially the creations i get outside of the utah. the serve use you know, that there's this whole. ready mythology that serve you somehow attached to, to rush to like to buy them the whole court it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are no meaningful stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go little bit north, the hungry that you just got a politician there, a man running the show that sees out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, alford, it seems to me with all this loose and dangerous rhetoric coming out of western capital's out of nato land here, their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something else. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred, it was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because then what do you

do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as the us incursions in vietnam failed. same as it was incursion in afghanistan, failed the, your stuff, it very easily. it just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in that very difficult position. there are intelligent people like to meet the, the fox, who have uh, is that very intelligent things you have in german. a guy falls on children blog and several old are full of patients, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends or nearly they don't want more. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are probably back in the service

of washington or wait one day historian full pallets, or if there were some floors that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of proofs. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, we, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers? why did they make the decisions the way they did, their making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest? and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security. and no european leader is talking about security. it's

amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember. let's remember always fame was book. sleep woke up from christopher crock. call we arrive. oh, the 1st world war is tots. each and do each country is a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of war on venue we came to with 1st of all because we were miscalculations. are a lot of prop park on the, from all sides there with lying in the newspapers to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sites on internet yukon, and do mobile, or people or folks up or e for us, very read you more, more are still not cheap p textbooks, whichever tools to what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good the surprise are and do also many military

expos actually would be lying on tv, on the rich situation because they've been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because what research is not happening and are very, very find only on gra cvt on a well large. and we're gonna say that's under, we're going to end the program on the same. you know that we started it. this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for the gentleman that's all the time we have a one, a think, my guess a nice brussels and engineers. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time and remember across the rules, the

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the waves of violent protests right across the west and blows. as you know about that, the students develop that all the amount of time as well as with continued bombardments, the thoughts of the details of the children. there are under the age of 2 and a suffering acute menu. this one and 3 children is suffering from fighting dogs as rafa. according to the un. this conference as well as in caution, is based southern most city brings most suffering thoughtful. then the people in prosecutor's office stops the investigation of a german air force officer of and the sort called a scandalous odo. as a heavy discussion about sending me souls to ukraine on the potential attack.