investors should be diversified in the emerging market exposure. one other thing i would mention, you asked about other companies, lux share precision, a company you may have heard of, heard of products, printed on back of ipod cases people have in their pockets right now, 70% of their revenue comes from apple. reality it is hard to be bullish on some large companies in the u.s. and not be bullish on some of the companies directly related to the supply chain clearly in china. liz: echo systems out there. great job operating the camera with your feet. what were you doing? here we go. [closing bell rings] the dow and s&p continue their hot streaks. the nasdaq, not so much down about 12 points. tomorrow shopify's harvey finkelstein and williams company ceo. ♪. larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow.

all right, folks you may be noticing we're not rushing to cover the downtown trump trial and the appearance of a certain porn actress. why? because she has nothing to do with the charges concerning business records in fur rans of a crime yet to be defined by the alvin bragg prosecutors. the porn actress has nothing to do with this, nothing. there was a non-disclosure agreement funded by trump personal money, neither of which is illegal, not the personal money, nor the non-disclosure agreement. in fact the prosecutors haven't even stipulated yet that mr. trump was connected with the payment for the non-disclosure agreement. the sole purpose of today's actress witness is to create a salacious story atmospheric done deliberately to sully mr. trump's reputation and bias the jury toward convicting him. even the judge has acknowledged

so-called salacious information shouldn't be allowed but of course he allowed it anyway. today's testimony by a certain actress should have been inadmissible as every fair and right-thinking person knows. team trump is asking for a mistrial and they are absolutely right. this is an insane political lawfare trial, driven by the biden administration and in fact, some former biden justice department prosecutors are running this case. this is nothing but 2004 election interference in an effort to keep mr. trump tied up in court so he cannot campaign against the happenless joe biden. none of this should have happened in the first place. not the trial, not certainly the actress testifying. these are transparently evil actions orchestrated in my view by the biden administration from the top all the way down. tragically these lawfare

actions, this two-tiered justice system, the attempt to sully mr. trump, is also a damaging blow to the prestige and glory of the night of america. a blow to our freedom. this is a sordid period of history and it reminds us all why joe biden must be retired from his office. therefore, in our little way, i choose to give no currency to today's witness fiasco. we have other fish to fry on this show tonight, other great topics and it is all very interesting. we have congressman jim jordan on the doctored crime scene photos of classified documents which in the florida trial a leading judge cannon to postpone a key deadline. joe biden racing to trump-proof his massive regulatory agenda. he will fail at at that. steve moore and russ vote to talk about that.

joni ernst furious biden with holding ammunition from israel. joe concha will tell us who the next president will be, next vice president will be in the general discussion of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. we welcome the chair of the house judiciary committee, we welcome back to the show, mr. jim jordan. you heard my opening. i will say enough said. i am much more interested, tell you the truth, the documents in the florida trial, you're the head of judiciary committee, so this is right up your alley and your jurisdiction, apparently the documents were doctored but apparently the classified covers were doctored also. the whole thing may have been a photo-op. tell us if you know much about this and if you're going to go after it, sir. >> well, answer to the last question, yes we're going to go after it. we'll pursue this as strongly as we can. we want to get answers to those questions. what we do know the documents

that were seized they changed the order of the documents. in other words the physical documented didn't match up with the scanned documents. someone might say when you do that that is called tampering with evidence. something you're not supposed to do and the irony for me, larry, is, jack smith mishandled the documents, the very documents he is charging president trump with mishandling. go figure. so this is how ridiculous it is. then frankly the other thing, the other big takeaway from me is, remember what they did with joe biden and his handling of classified information? robert hur came in front of our committee, joe biden met both elements of crime, he kept and knowinglying kept classified information. he had strong information from ignoring classified procedures, he was writing a book, a book which he got paid 8 million bucks. we have motive, elements of the crime, but they said we

recommend no charges because he is forgetful old man. we have the double standard. we have jack smith mishandling documents all the while he is charging president trump for supposedly mishandling information. you can't make this stuff up. larry: no. it is a very sordid period all this. investigative reporter julie kelly who also writes for real clear investigations, she says that the fbi agents actually accused of willfully misleading the american people. i'm just going to read you this, into believing the former president is a criminal and a threat to national security, attached the cover sheets to at least seven files to stage the photo. the classified cover sheets were never recovered in the container contrary to what one of the prosecutors said. i'm saying, these are her charges and an fbi agents took it upon themselves to paper clip the sheets to the documents.

the whole thing was out of order and some of these classified, you know, this colorful classified documents, you've seen them, i've seen them in office, may not have happened. it was all wrong? >> if they did that, if they did that, that is clearly tampering with evidence. that is just so wrong. that's on par with what they did clear back in 2016 when they took false information to the fisa court to get a warrant to go spy on president trump's campaign. so if they did that, if they added that heading and to the outside of these folders that is as wrong as it gets. we need an answer to that question. that is certainly one we will try to get the answer to. larry: miss kelly goes on to write, by the way she has a very good reputation. a lot of people look to her. she does honest investigative work. now defense attorneys claim and the special counsel concedes that someplace holders do not match the relevant documents.

look, this is all indicting and apparently judge cannon has now postponed a crucial aspect of the trial because she is looking at the same thing that ms. julie kelly is describing. apparently, yesterday, based on new revelations of evidence disruption and potential tampering, judge eileen cannon has postponed a key deadline in the classified documents case. i find this incredible. >> all the cases are falling apart. fani willis, whole issue with nathan wade. coming up to d.c. to meet with the january 6 committee, white house counsel, the justice department, that case is falling apart. alvin bragg case, you talk about how ridiculous that is. classified documents case falling apart in miami. frankly the immunity issue for the case in d.c., jack smith case in d.c. we have the supreme court handling that. so i think again the country is

clearly seeing that these cases are baloney. this is lawfare as you said. it is wrong and the country understands that. larry: yeah, you know, the worst part is, it besmirches our justice system. this is the greatest country in the world. that infuriates me too and i'm sure it does you. let me ask you, branch out a little bit, jim jordan, with respect to all these campus riots and antisemitism and hate crimes therein, is your committee, can your committee look into a civil rights discrimination case, title vi which was reinforced by an executive order by president trump couple years back when he was president? >> yeah. larry: how about defunding these colleges. they seem to be in violation of civil rights discrimination. is there a case there, jim jordan? >> we should do all of the above. we passed legislation goes to title vi, of civil rights case, take the definition president

trump had when you served in his administration, that definition is in the legislation. we're looking at money from outside individuals encouraging agitators to come to the campuses doing all the crazy radical stuff. we're looking at that federal dollars going to universities commit toos. committees are looking at that finally what our committee, judiciary committee, were any students engaged on campuses are they here were they here on student visas? columbia, 55% of the student body is here on a visa. if they are on a visa, we wrote secretary mayorkas, secretary blinken if they are here on a visa are you working to revoke that visa? if you're doing that, secretary mayorkas are you seeking to remove them from the country because they are in clear violation of the immigration nationality act. we started that in the judiciary committee last week. larry: i think mr. trump come out of the courtroom? all right. hang on.

we'll go back. false alarm. sorry, jim jordan, didn't mean to interrupt. >> no problem. larry: i was going to ask one other thing here, let me go back, we're talking about student visas. i am still waiting, we heard this a month ago or six weeks ago, i'm still waiting for president biden to issue some kind of executive order or actions to close the southern border. now you all passed your hr.2. you have reinforced that bill. so far nothing has happened. what we know we have a bunch of outside agitators on college campuses. somebody told me today, painting the steps of one of the columbia buildings, they couldn't even spell palestine right for heaven's takes. the point is, we're letting palestinians in, gazans in without vetting them, when are we going to close the border? what is happening here? i just didn't want, like all these other actions are blocking out that issue which is either the number one issue in the

country or after inflation the second most important issue, what do you think, jim jordan? >> well, i mean, this administration is not going to do it. they created the problem. their policies made this terrible situation on our southern border and created the issues we talked about. they're not going to do it. the only way we'll get this thing now when president trump wins on november fifth and takes office on january 20th, 2025 which i think is going to happen. it is exactly what the country needs. that is the only way i think we're going to be able to solve what joe biden intentionally did, set out to do, literally on day one of his presidency. larry: jim jordan, it is always a pleasure. thank you, sir. we appreciate it very much. all best of luck. >> thank you, larry. folks coming up we welcome back lawyer a ingram. who wins the presidential race and who mr. trump picks as his vice president. as you may note we're not giving any currency to the downtown trial today. that is our decision. we have lots of interesting things too do.

we will talk about regulations and trying to trumpfy, never going to stop mr. trump from rolling back regulations. they will never stop him from gutting taxes. they will never stop him from cutting spending or having a second trump boom. none of it is going to happen. bidens can try all they want. i'm kudlow. we'll be back in just a few. ♪

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larry: joining me know, great friend, laura ingraham, host of "the ingraham angle," a great show on tv. laura, as you heard we're not giving any currency what went on downtown today, for all the reasons you mentioned earlier on fox news, i felt the same way. will not give it any currency. i want to talk to you about why donald trump is leading in the swing states and why he has been on message so effectively on inflation, the economy and the border. this is probably the best campaign he has ever run, what do you think? >> i think so. i think, larry, in stark contrast to the circus that is happening in that manhattan courtroom, most people, i like to call normal people now remember 2019, 2018 at a time when they had more money in their pocket, more optimism about their own financial futures and more certainty that we had a nation still with

borders that were increasingly being well-enforced as they were under trump and so now you know, four years later everyone sees themselves, except for maybe the billionaires who have done really well but see themselves in a much more precarious position and the fact that they have to like bring out a porn star and bring out a convicted pure purjeor, in the latest trump fullly, i don't think they're claiming or bother towing improve the economic lives of most americans today. they have kind of given up the argument. all the issues they polar rise the nation on. larry: without getting any details whatsoever, get trump is right, it is like get america. they are dishonoring america by these tactics, these crazy tactics, this two-tiered justice system, this terrible witness thing going on downtown and so

forth and so on, they're just damaging this country. >> they are. larry: it is a very sordid strategy, laura, and i have just a sense it is all going to backfire. i may be wrong on this, but i have a sense it is all going to backfire as right thinking people, clear-headed people look at this? >> i think you're right. i think, a lot of this is already playing out in the polls in not just one or two polls, larry. when you look at the polling of voters likely to vote under the age of 30, the dramatic shift away from biden is something, even, i think i'm pretty with it with politics, i did not predict it to be that stark against biden. it is a 29-point swing away from biden. trump is up five in that voting bloc right now. that is a monumental change. hispanic, evangelicals, keep your eye, larry on that demographic because, these people are fed up. they're hard-working.

they didn't come to this country to live in poverty. they came into this country to start small businesses and have a chance at a better life and biden is taking that away from people week by week, month by month and i really think people are feeling it and they feel like they have been gypped. they have been sold a bill of goods and i don't think a stormy daniels day on the stand or michael cohen doing his usual jughead antics will make a wit of difference. larry: here is a fun clip, trump out in waukesha, wisconsin, reverse robin hood. have a listen please. >> crooked joe biden launched the greatest confiscation of middle class wealth in the history of our country. biden run the government essentially like robin hood in the reverse, giving from the poor, give together rich. they say many of the rich people are with democrats. it has changed. we have become the party of the worker.

we have become the party of the middle income. larry: reverse robin hood which i love and the party of the worker which is true. in the last 25 years he basically changed the gop, hasn't he? >> he came along to kind of where others, pat buchanan, rick santorum, mike huckabee, others and reagan really. reagan was a big believer in small business, larry. you worked for president reagan, so did i, but he believed in the power of the entrepreneur. margaret thatcher, obviously her dad the small shop keeper. they lived above the store. she was always about small. beware of big, big government often times, big business, because big business becomes like big government. so he is really tapped into that sentiment of you know, i don't want a hand yow!. handout. i want government out of the way. dei, wokism, anti-girls and in women's sports the stuff they're pulling. they made a devil's bargain

aligning themselves to the far left. it is coming back to bite them. dr. frankenstein, the monster is coming to get you. larry: it is the party of worker, of the worker. it is the party of work, laura, you know, like work. we want to reward work and we want to reward success and you're right, there is a lot of reagan in that. i agree with you about pat buchanan and so forth, but he just comes right out and says it. i think -- >> it is common sense. i think trump, in so many ways is a common sense conservative. larry: ah, yes. >> he is a conservative with a populist bent but a lot of it is just plain common sense. those guys are ripping you off. we'll give you the opportunity that you always deserved. you are going to work hard but we'll not take your wealth from you. in fact we'll give you a tax cut. i think he should announce a broad-based middle class tax cut and completely counter biden's mans to raise taxes. you know the taxes will be

raised on everybody, larry. you covered this so well on the show. larry: working on it, working on both sides. working on both sides. in fact i will tell a certain candidate laura ingraham signed onto the next tax cut. i love that. >> you got it. larry: anyway, you're terrific, laura. >> see you tonight at 7:00. larry: catch laura on "the ingraham angle" weeknights at 7:00 p.m. eastern on fox news. the best of the best. coming up here on "kudlow," steve moore and russ vote will tell us why biden cannot trump-proof anything, anything at all. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. ♪ the only limit is the sky ♪ ♪ it's our time ♪ ♪ you don't want to miss it ♪ ♪ it's your moment in the spotlight ♪ all your ambitions. all in one app.

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nothing works for biden. joining me, steve moore, committee to unleash prosperity and host of wabc's "moore money" and russ vought, former omb director, president of the center for renewing america. gentlemen, thank you very much. biden races to trump-proof his agenda, russ. they're trying to get all these regulations -- i just saw in april, government agencies, finallallized three dozen economically significant regulations more than during any single month of biden's own presidency and his own presidency is probably the biggest regulatory binge in history and what is this business, they're trying to trump-proof it? how is that going to work? >> sure, what they're using is what is called the congressional review act and it is a law that allows congress to come in and overrule a regulation within 60 days of when that rule has been done and it is used effectively when you have a turn in

administration, obviously you're sending a bill to the president, he will only sign it if he is a new administration and we used this really effectively under president trump more than any administration had done in history. i don't think they will be ultimately successful. yeah they're trying to get these things done. they may be able to reach the deadline on a couple of things but they are in year four of the administration. the scarces resources you have in an administration is time and it takes time to go through the regulatory process and so they're not going to be able to get their entire agenda through to beat the cra clock and new trump administration with convictions of deregulatory agenda will take these things up by the root and branch and get the economy going again. larry: steve moore, i don't know whether they can get it in but people say they won't get these regs done null july or august. trump can come in and overturn

it anyway, steve moore that is the key point. it might take him a little longer, i don't know. the whole thing, first of all, biden knows he is going to lose, that is why they're doing this obviously and the second point they know that they're bad. who is in favor of these regulations besides the regulatory bureaucrats and the whole anti-business thrust of the biden administration? >> yeah. from all our lives your life, larry, russ's life, my life we've never seen a regulatory assault like we've seen just in the last two or three weeks. it's almost like you said, larry -- larry: fellows, hang on one second. steve, i want to take trump. hang on one second. well be right back to you. >> very little relationship to the case. just, was asked for the d.a., soros-backed tee a, it is a disaster. this whole case is just a disaster. if you read the heel scholars you see, they're writing about

it, they have never seen anything quite like it and neither have i. i should be out campaigning right now. we're leading in all the polls. i would like to be campaigning. we would be leading by a lot more. i just want to appreciate, i appreciate the job you're doing. it is not easy standing there all day waiting. but you're hearing the same things we're hearing. on another matter as you know it's biden's backers seem to be funding the what is going on with the palestinians. probably not palestinians. they're agitators, bad agitators, really bad and you think our government ought to find out who they are, where they are from, and treat them the same way as they do the j-6 hostages. you got to treat them the same way. these are agitators. they're really hurting our country. it is happening all over the country in cities. so what happened last night at the metropolitan museum, these

are agitators. at colleges, it is about 20% student and 80% others this is a big problem. they better nip it in the bud. it is a problem from the left, not from the right. this is a problem from the left. and i hope you can stress that. the economy is not doing well. we see inflation is through the roof. they're not going to be able to lower interest rates. if they do it is purely political but it will be very bad if they do from the standpoint of getting rid of inflation. you have to get rid of inflation. inflation as you probably have heard me say it is a country buster, it busts countries and it has for a thousand years. you go back and you look at old-time germany, you look at a lot of countries going through the kind of inflation we're going through and they're busted. they are just broken up, broken up in many cases into little pieces and that's what could actually happen to us. so we have to get inflation under control. we have to get prices down so

that people can breathe, so that people can live, so they can live. but again this is a very revealing day in court. any honest reporter would say that would i recommend you read jonathan turley and andrew mccarthy and alan dershowitz, gregg jarrett, mark levin, very talented people and others and others. there are some incredible people out there that are writing about this trial. they are calling it a disgrace. it's a disgrace. meantime i'm stuck. i'm here. instead of being in georgia, instead of being in new hampshire, instead of being in wisconsin and all the different states that we wanted to be in we're not able to be there because we're stuck in this trial which everyone knows is a hoax. thank you very much. thank you. larry: there you have it, president trump, we're going to have mark simone and joe concha talk some more about that. steve moore, actually though

we're talking about regulations and the role of regulations in inflation. you heard mr. trump talk at some length about the evils of inflation, the weimar republic, how it can wreck a country. the bidens don't see it that way. they want to regulate everything. i would say they're throwing sand in the gears and keeping prices high. we always talk about energy and food but other parts of the economy too, steve? >> yeah. look they want to go after google. they want to go after apple. they want to go after small businesses. they want to go after the franchises in america and make them much more susceptible to lawsuits. i could talk for 20 minutes about the litany of these regulations. they want to regulate the internet. they want to regulate what kind of appliances you have in your house. there is one common thread here, larry, you talked about this many times, it is all anti-business. they hate business. larry: yeah. >> so they go after successful businesses. the more successful you are, the more they want to sue you. larry: you know, russ vought, on this point, we can talk about

the congressional review act as you just did and how that can overturn these regulations 23 you get a president and a senate and house of the same party or executive actions might take a little, executive orders might take longer but russ, the courts, epa versus west virginia and other courts, these regulations are not mandated by congress. this is part of joe biden's illegalities if you will. including the student loan cancellations is another perfect example. what they're doing in the energy sphere, russ. they don't have the authority to stomp out gas-powered carts for example, or costs $15,000 for a new refrigerator or heating system, where does that authority come from? >> they don't have it this a lawless administration. they take every policy and breathe as much progressivism and leftism as they possibly can

and then they send it over to the courts, they hope that it sticks and often it doesn't, because the courts are increasingly with many trump judges are increasingly saying look, congress never gave you this ability, this authority, we're going to knock give you quite the same deference that we once did to the administrative state. that is changing. and i think, the issue of whether they can get done or not, how a trump administration can respond, look, these things, we know how to do nepa reform now, larry. we know that, we don't need to have a long policy process to be able to say we'll get infrastructure bills decided within a certain amount of time. so just even talking about schedule f and some of the personnel reforms these are the kind of things you can do early because you don't have to have a policy process because the president was in office for four years around already decided on a lot of these issues and he is campaigning on them with his agenda 47 agenda. larry: steve moore, real quick

on the way out as russ said, we can have bureaucracy reforms, right? tenured bureaucrats who are left-wing, that can be all changed. things like net neutrality but the other one, in waukesha, wisconsin, in his speech this is favorite of russ vought's, i know of mine too, he talked about budget impoundment authority, executive i am impoundment authority to stomp out waste, fraud and abuse. >> it would literally save hundreds of billions of dollars. i have want to say one other quick thing about this regulatory assault? where is congress? why has congress delegated law making authority to unelected regulatory chiefs that are accountable to no one? i think congress, by the way i think we're going to win that chevron case.

keep your eye on that one which basically says congress has unlawfully delegated all this authority to these unelected regulators. larry: all right. not to speak of the budget deficits and the debt and the rest of the spending. steve moore, thank you. russ vought, thank you. great to see you. folks let's talk a little politics. we have joe concha, right here, fox news contributor, mark simone, wor radio show host. i would have said best-selling author. not as much fun. >> the whole title? larry: the whole title. they didn't put it in because we're running late. trump's comments today? >> strong as usual. takes advantage of the podium that he he has, media paying all attention on him instead of joe biden. he should be out campaigning instead of stuck in a trial for two weeks. larry: without the witness we

refuse to give currency to, your thought, this will completely overturn alvin bragg? >> that is reversible error without question. he wins the appeal without this. forget about ken starr, dignified, at one point he got into salacious details about monica lewinsky. it turned off the public. that is where his impeachment attempt started to derail. people didn't like it. there is no place in a public forum for that kind of conversation. larry: that is one reason we didn't cover it on this show. no place in a public forum. you may be right. do you think this will wind up helping mr. trump or is it going to be more of a mixed bag? >> i think the testimony we saw today underscored what an absolute joke this case is. and nobody on the other networks for the most part and obviously nobody, like the american that donald trump mentioned as far as lawyers like jonathan turley or andrew mccarthy can identify what crime occurred here right?

larry: that's the thing. >> people are struggling in terms of inflation, wages, crime, see what is going on on the border, see what is going on american campuses, they say this is what we're concentrates on at this point? i think it backfires. we saw three polls out this, trump up 12 in rasmussen, nine, cnn. three, harvard harris. having exactly the -- larry: it would seem this is out of control, it is out of control. whether this is 1968 or not, the summer of 2020 or not, i don't know, some parallels, some not so good parallels, it seems like it is out of control right now. the legal system is out of control. the campuses are out of control. the border is out of control. to a certain extent crime is out of control. >> that's joe biden. the guy that promised to bring us together, heal us, bring us back to normal, created total chaos, perverted the justice system. chaos at the border. chaos on our streets, crime everywhere. it is total chaos.

that is his theme. larry: you read justice department officials basically running this trial. biden administration justice department firms what does that tell you? >> that biden is running the trial. it was biden's guy that did the questioning t was biden's guy that did the opening statement. look at this terrible fake news. i never seen a trial where they didn't follow the prosecutors out to the car yelling questions at them. they don't go near them. never ask these guys a question. they have never asked this biden guy what he is doing here. they never ask why aren't you doing the case in kurt? why aren't you doing the opening? larry: am i making too much of this? i think it is from the top. i think it starts from the white house counsel's office. of course he consults with president biden. it runs right through the justice department and here we are or they're in florida or they're in washington, j 6 or in

hotlanta, which is another joke this thing down in florida they're getting nowhere. as it turns out fbi age edges may have rigged the classified documents label sheets. i have don't know if you heard our reporting on this, great investigative reporter, it is not second quarter hating. judge cannon pushed back the trial again. really, this comes from the oval office? >> let's apply some kudlow common sense here. do you think really the guy who was number three in the department of justice said, you know what, i see a better career opportunity. i will work with alvin bragg on a case everybody thinks is trash. of course it is. that is just logic. it has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. who else would do that unless they wanted somebody in their quarterbacking on behalf of the biden administration. larry: it did come out, our reporter brooke singman, this fellow colangelo was paid consulting fees by the democratic national committee that may not be in itself is the worst thing i ever heard. just this it may be starting

from the oval office. hire's the thing, i said this earlier in the show talking about it with laura, i mentioned it in my opening riff. it demeans the whole country. this brings the whole country down. this is a great and glorious country what are they doing it. this stuff has no place in america, mark simone, none, zero. >> in this country we've never seen this soviet stalinist witch-hunt. you know how they got know val any? they claim he overvalued assets in his business. to see the technique in america. threw nalvany off the ballot. all that is being used here. larry: joe, last word? >> maybe merrick garland leaving attorney general and work for fani willis. she could stand by him. larry: she needs a little help. joe concha, mark simone, very good. coming up why is joe biden with holding ammunition from israel. this story is gaining currency.

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larry: so why is joe biden with holding ammunition from israel as so many reports now suggest? joining me now, iowa senator joni ernst, just came back from israel. senator ernst as always, ma'am, welcome to the show. what is going on here? is he withholding ammunition and why, and isn't that breaking the law? >> well, what the heck, larry, thank you for having me. yes, i was actually in the middle east over the weekend when we found out, we saw the media reports that joe biden intended to withhold ammunition from israel, our closest friend and ally in the middle east. what happened to joe biden pressuring congress to get the supplemental package done, saying it was an urgent matter? that his support for israel is ironclad. i think he is walking both sides of the aisle there. joe biden you need to release

this ammunition and make sure friends can fight against this evil threat of hamas. larry: so far the white house, no one has said anything about this charge and the reports continue to mount up. i know you put a letter out with senator budd and so forth. they're just silent on this. the other part of this is, like they're trying to tell israel do not go into rafah, do not defeat hamas, that's part of this! >> exactly and senator ted budd and i were on this trip to the middle east over the weekend to make sure israel knows and understands that we are with her. i think the world has forgotten that it was hamas that perpetrated these attacks on october 7th, not israel. it seems that everyone is pushing against israel when we should be pushing against hamas. we should not be using our support, our ammunition, our weapons platforms to leverage against israel.

again, they are our number one friend and ally in the middle east. larry: so the other story out there, i don't know what's true and what's not true but a deal is being made with hamas. the only trouble is, hamas wants a permanent end to the war and hamas is not talking about any hostage exchange. i know you were over there expressly to look into the hostage story. are there hostages? this is a heartbreaking story. we covered it. we talked about it before. what's happening on that front? >> yes, larry and we sat last night with the families of the american hostages in jerusalem and as we were sitting down to dinner with them those media reports started coming out about hamas agreeing to a cease-fire. our hearts were leaping with joy only to be dashed moments later, know, understand, this was a

deal cut by egypt, by qatar and none other than hamas. israel did not have any part in that agreement. so these families continue to hope and pray that their loved ones come back to them. larry: you know, whose side is the united states government on here and israel has launched, the idf launched operations but even at this late date, apparently the united states trying to stop them from taking out hamas. i don't get this. >> right. exactly. and senator ted budd and i are very clearly with the hostage families. we're very clearly with israel and again the administration has been waffling on this by saying thatter they are ironclad with israel and doing everything they can to leverage against the prime minister of israel and israel has a nation state. we need to support our friends

in israel. we need to make sure hamas is absolutely devastated. we need peace in that region but not at the expense of israel and certainly not at the expense of our hostages. we have forgotten and we need to make sure that we are putting our hostages and israel first but we have forgotten over all, that hamas is the one that perpetrated these crimes. they are the ones that raped women and children. they are the ones that drug elderly citizens of israel across the border into the gaza strip. we need to focus on the terrorists, not on our friend and ally israel. larry: well i assume, got 12 seconds left but i assume israel is now launching what will be the final action against hamas? >> yes and i would say that, larry, when they feel there is no hope and no one else is out there supporting them, what leverage does israel have? rafah. larry: thank you very much.

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