it is done in one day, it is not done in two days, but again, we have to choose priorities, because in fact, decentralized generation is a priority, why, because , well, once again, we either need to somehow send it to mars, or we need to protect it as much as possible facilities of centralized generation, and this is also a huge expense and right, thank you very much, i would also like to ask your opinion on which old -style mark? the government and the leadership of ukraine in general, the pechersk hills in general, it's five, four, three, that is , you say, there are challenges, there are challenges, and that's it the ukrainian government to these challenges, and does it do, does it understand, where are these challenges, how can they be overcome? you know, as i said, i'm just here now also involved in this process, i wouldn't pass the assessment today, i would like the government to create a single coordination on'.

well, the point is where the decision is made, because there are problems when some local bodies are responsible for their own city, and the ministry of energy is responsible for the general energy system, the ministry of infrastructure is responsible for regional development and protection objects, and in fact everyone is doing something somewhere, and that we should define priority tasks and run, and run as fast as we have never run before. until the next season of infamy, that 's unfortunately not available today, and so let's go, let's go without grades for now, because if we just don't make this coordinated decision-making center, we're just going to have zero, well, it's going to be really bad, so in this aspect, for now let's hope that we can all organize, thank you very much, thank you very much, oleksiy orzhyl, chairman kyiv office of the secretariat of the energy community, energy and

environmental protection of ukraine from the 19th to the 20th year was with us, and now i hope to see taras kuzio, a british political scientist, if i see him, he will, i will be very happy, oh, i saw, i began to rejoice, good health, mr. taras, thank you for finding time for us, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, listen, there are some unverified people walking around. rumors that the british prime minister may visit ukraine one of these days, you invited him, or whether president zelensky can, or whether the british write about it newspapers, please tell us, i don't have such, such influential access, i think it is rather boris johnson, who, who likes very much, can go to ukraine. there is already

a beer dedicated to him in lviv, you saw, no, i think it is due to the fact that great britain wants to show that it is an ally of the united states of america, and and and on saturday last saturday, the american congress declared help, and a few days after,

the war in ukraine, i think it has to do with the fact that post-brexit great britain will show that it is still a big country in europe. mr. taras, we will redial you now, because your voice jumps so much, we want to hear it, what a voice that does not jump, so now we are waiting for mr. taras kuzyu, a british political scientist, and then i will ask him, the main thing for me issue, well, not the main issue, one of the main issues, the difference in decision-making between the united states and britain, but because both in britain and in the united states there are two chambers, but we see that the american system is such that for a very long time it was, the decision provide another package of weapons and money to ukraine, the british just instantly accepting so much... the british prime minister

can do it in 15 seconds, considering that britain also has a house of commons, a house of lords, and we understand that the house of lords is not like that. influential, but i will ask this question now, i will repeat it for mr. taras, mr. taras, the following question: the americans dragged this bill on weapons for six or seven months, there are also, there are two chambers, the senate, and the house of representatives, and the president in britain if the same, and the house of commons, and the house of lords, and the prime minister and the king, but somehow the british decided everything in 15 seconds. and the americans 7 months, what is the difference, how autonomous, how independent is the government in britain, what the british prime minister says: but i already said today, and tomorrow i will say already and already and already weapons will go to ukraine, why so? i

think it was just great britain that waited until the american congress announced a week ago, because they wanted to show that they are acting together. ukraine, this is the largest british package of military aid, and an article was published today, the british premier vsryt journal, where he also emphasizes this common connection, and between the americans, between the united states of america and great britain, and their common goal regarding the war in ukraine. i think we are very well oriented as far as great britain is concerned, in great britain they don't have this trumpian... populist nationalism that plays with russia, they don't have that in great britain, they don't have pro-russian sentiment in great britain, they don't have this anti-americanism that, which pro-russianism is proposed around in germany and

france, there is no such thing in great britain, because it's just that they were waiting for great britain , they were waiting for it to be some kind of joint military assistance, the united states of america. and great britain together, and this was not a question of great britain regarding which pro-russian politicians there are, because there are none, i am not afraid that, for example, the labor party will, i think, win the elections this year in great britain, i am not i'm afraid another question, the same british prime minister said that britain is transferring the defense industry to military rails. and mr. sunak said, for the soviets people like me, i was born in the soviet union, transfer to the military rails is a card system, lack of food, queues, this is rationing, you can take there, i don't know, 15

liters of gasoline per month, you can take 20 kg there bread for a month and so on, but what is this for the british, will life somehow change? the british from the fact that the british prime minister says that britain is transferring the defense industry to war rails. i don't think there will ever be a shortage of beer, gin and whiskey in the uk, never mind. no, i think that's more of an exaggeration, isn't it changes, and great britain will increase its military budget not immediately, it will be sometime in the next four or five years. and i don’t think that anything will change so much, but what will be interesting is that all western ukraine, including great britain, they are very attentive to this war, those who are in ukraine, they learn from that war, because this is the first drone

drone warfare in history in general, and they learn, and this then affects reforms, changes in all weapons... in the west, including great britain, because there is a lot to learn, western members of nato, everything that they they see exactly how the russian army fights and how ukraine has the ability to defend itself. one more question, yes, this is, i already read an article somewhere that this is already yesterday's drone war, and today is... the so-called algorithmic war, i haven't figured out what that means yet, but it's very important, and this not in russia at all, but my question is different: britain left the european community, but remained in nato, and there are discussions that something should be done

to european nato countries, and that it is necessary to create its own umbrella, not sit under american, and you said: that britain coordinates its actions with the united states, and does britain coordinate its actions, for example, with european countries to create a really so... sub-nato, such, such a european, nato can, but also prepare for war , possibly transferring the military industry to military rails and so on and the like, preparing for some dangers from russia, obviously, well, i think that the psychology, the atmosphere in europe has really changed, that they finally began to understand that if ukraine loses, i don't think it will be as if... ukraine lost the war, that europe will be next, and this is finally this opinion, which has always

been in the baltic countries, in poland, it is now everywhere in europe, this is a plus, but to move from such an opinion in practice, what should be done, how to increase the military budget is another question, i think, although great britain is not a member of the aso, it now has a very, very close relationship. between great britain and france, because i don't think anyone, anyone, has any positive ideas about chancellor shows, ah, at all, it a very weak person, and he simply continues to not want to deploy tauros missiles in ukraine, this is how, how will trump win the election, we hope that it will not happen, how will trump win the election, then... then the ruling countries, that is, the largest military the regions of the country that

have armed forces in a hurry, it will be france and great britain, and macron presents himself as a new de gaulle or a new napoleon, and indeed he says this openly, that for example, what about the question of whether it may be necessary to express the western armed forces in ukraine. how will it be the need, and regarding nuclear weapons, i think that we need to think about it in the category that what has happened in the last two and a half years, after the full-scale invasion of ukraine, anything can happen, everything can be changed, we cannot say that we will never it won't happen, and this is about poland, which has been told that we are ready... to have nuclear weapons on the territory of poland, i think that although it seems that this is

some kind of fantasy, why not, russia, for example, has put nuclear weapons in belarus, then why not have it in poland, i think ukraine would do it supported, and i think that this is absolutely possible, everything is changing now, we do not know what will happen and we have to think. to never say now that no, it can never be, because everything can change, everything can happen. thank you very much, taras kuzio, british political scientist, i think ukrainians wouldn't be against it either if someone placed nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, and i think it was great news for all ukrainians, but now we have advertising, am i right said, we have an ad, and then we 'll talk about our home. i would even said about professional affairs, because she is the executive director of the ukrainian institute

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it remains for us to talk with mrs. diana dutsyk, executive director of the ukrainian institute of media and communications, member of the public council under the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on freedom of speech, good health, mrs. diana, we will not pretend that we are not familiar, let's not do that, good evening, good health, and i would like to ask you a rather the most pressing question, because it is still a question... the report of the united states department of state on the violation of human rights in ukraine is expected, and just because of this marathon and so further and what on the marathon follows the government line, and i have never answered this question directly, it is asked in the streets and in public lectures that i am sometimes invited to, i say i do not know what the answer is, because censorship existed

everywhere, censorship exists now in israel and was all the years, both in america and in... england during the second world war, and it's not some kind of exotic, and i just don't know whether , for example, the big television companies will agree, because now it pays for parts the state, so to speak, and some journalists get paid, and maybe when it doesn't happen, journalists will stop getting paid, in short, it's such a complex that it's not about aesthetics, that i like or don't like what they... says, there are pragmatic points, what do you say , ms. diana? oh, well, actually, it's a very difficult question, and this report is a difficult question, because you know, what i saw in our media, everyone focused on the telethon itself, even though this report actually has a lot, contains a lot of other information, and well i would say that as an expert i

do not completely agree with some of this information, not that... not that with some of the facts, because the facts are stated there, i do not agree with some interpretation of these facts, because, as you have already said that ukraine is not just now, well , it is somewhere like that, you know, it is developing in space, moving somewhere and so on, we are in a war, and there is a war going on in our country, and a full-scale war, that is, it is not even the period when in we were there somewhere between the ages of 14 and 22, that's how it was. a little more or less different situation, we could talk about, and we could evaluate many things differently, but today, of course, we have to say that the war, uh, and i think that in any country, even if god forbid something like this would happen with the united states, i think they would also have a very strict information policy in wartime,

so you have to take that into account, and here the telethon is a complicated story, we... all the experts are now saying that it needs to be reformatted, besides, now there is unexpected information that can exclude public information from it is generally unacceptable, that is, either we cancel this marathon already, and let's then let the public service be the key public broadcaster in the country, as it should be, and even then it works normally, or even then, if this format remains, the public service does not. .. might be excluded from it, yes, because it's, well, it's just going to be a bad story, but i want to talk about other points that are in this report, and what, for example, can't i agree with? for example, this report mentions as a violation of the right to self-expression, for example, that ukraine adopted a law that restricts communist and

nazi symbols, and it actually mentions, for example, the case of one woman who was fined for selling items from the st. george's ribbon. there was something there, some communist symbolism, and actually here, you know, i have a question, why this example got into this report, and this is a big question for discussion, obviously this question is not for the communication of all of us and the authorities and civil society , because excuse me, well, this communist symbolism, we are now, it led us to that we have a full-scale war, so there are some things that, well, i can't agree with in this report, also, for example, you can say that this report gives facts, some specific, but does not give of these

facts of the context, for example, it is said about accreditation restrictions, that there were journalists who had problems with accreditation to the combat zone , but at the same time it does not say that the authorities, if journalists always actively react to such restrictions in our country. and indignant, and actually the last example with dismissal natalki khomenyuk, it shows that journalists are still listened to, no matter what, and actually here, you know, it is as if on the one hand we showed that there is a problem, but on the other hand we did not prove it about this problem later, so i am somewhat surprised by this report, and actually it seems to me that we need to analyze it in great detail and analyze it and understand for ourselves, and why actually... lack of communication is the main flaw in any government in general authorities in ukraine, they simply do not know how to do it, but simply

i very always, when asked, i very simply say, yes, we have restrictions, we have prohibitions, we have a war, during a war there cannot be prohibitions, restrictions, and when someone tries to hide, oh there they affect on on on human rights do affect... a person, absolutely, you cannot deprive mykola veresny of the right to go to kharkiv or donetsk or luhansk, this is ukrainian territory and he has the right, well, let me go there, and what, or my will be shot, or theirs will be shot, or someone will torture me, in short, i have no chance, but i for my part, i'm sorry that i'm picking on myself, but about america and censorship, so that it's clear, this is just about the georgievs... lentochki, when i studied this story, how america behaved towards political opponents on its territory, then i you know what story

i found, the fascist party was strong enough, they began to persecute it, but no one canceled the constitution of the united states, despite the war with both japan and america, and they did not know the leader of this fascist party, what to do with him, because for words cannot be planted in america, he said that hitler was a good man and doing everything right, and then the fbi found a non-political reason and imprisoned him for a short period of time, one or two or three years, well, until the end of the war was enough, but they also had such a situation that there was an enemy , we don't have him, we can't do anything with him, and then we're looking for... taxes, whether he cheated on his wife, whether he didn't send the child to school, in short, very secondary things, and about this they imprisoned him, so the americans also have

such problems in their history, let them read what they're reading, the issue i 'm interested in, the skin, absolutely skin, is digital broadcasting over t-2, where all but some channels are, including the channel where i work, that is, all things being equal, i god bless everyone, okay, everyone is censored, everyone has bans, but everyone, but when here you can speak digitally on this channel, but you can't seven, well, for example, you can't speak espresso, it's somehow strange at all looks, and there, as far as i understand, there is no legal implication simply. then there without explanation, there nothing is said, due to the fact that september is a russian agent, we forbid, therefore, to do all this on t2 because of the number. here

i agree with you 100%, and actually it was a very strange story with your exclusion from 2 and other channels as well, i don’t know now, i know that there were, that the channels were sued, i don’t know how this case is going on, maybe you know then, but it would be a good story if the court, well, put an end to this issue, because in fact here it is, here it is possible to... agree that there is a violation, and well, this is a bad example, but on the other hand, you know, during many discussions i have already said more than once that there is such a definite plus in the fact that espresso, or the fifth one, or other channels did not get into the single marathon , because you can give an alternative position, and that's very important, and of course, everyone

does it within a reasonable ... within the framework of war, i think everyone understands some limitations, but at the same time, when we talk about the discussion some internal problems in ukraine and so on, then i listen to your channel with pleasure, because you have a bigger one a range of positions than say in a single marathon, and it's very positive, and it's not known if you've been there that i work for espresso and i'm very happy because i have a lot more freedom here, i think, a lot more than at... similar to others, but my last question is important, we still have two minutes, that is a lot, and the journalists themselves do not organize themselves to propose to the government or the parliament, well, the rules of conduct during the war, i think that there is also a journalistic fault here, if journalists gathered, said, let's go that's the order, we have 20 or 30 points that are mandatory for all

journalists. then it will be clear that you can really let them all go when there is a guarantee, because i know many ukrainian journalists, i wouldn't give them a word, to be honest, because they will say that tomorrow putin will drive around khreshchatyk in an open car on a cabriolet, well, it could be, well, i agree with you that the issue of self-regulation of the industry is very important, by the way, yesterday i was at a conference that was dedicated to this very issue, we talked about it all day they spoke and... here we have, we have problems with the self-organization of journalists, but i do not completely agree that everything is bad, because in fact, if we return to 2022, after all, the rules that were worked out by the military, in particular by general headquarters and then signed , yes, here is this order, where it is determined that what information journalists cannot broadcast, well, for example, regarding shelling, regarding

, well... military objects, for example, bombed or something else, yes, that is, or about the movement of troops and so on, i think what was there, these rules, they were worked out in an active dialogue with journalists and also based on the results of already acquired practice, and everyone agreed with these rules, there was a consensus, no one had objections to these rules, and this actually made the fact possible , that in our tv channels, in editorial offices, in online media there was no direct military censorship, it is very important to understand and talk about it also to international partners, because in reality, in the conditions of martial law, a military officer should sit in each editorial office censor, well, if you follow the letter of the law, y we don't have that, and this consensus of journalists with the military, which was reached in 2022, is very important, no one is saying, but i

will end with a long-term acquaintance. members of the public council under the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on issues of freedom of speech. thank you all for your attention, iryna koval, mykola veresen says: goodbye, see you tomorrow, good luck, victory to us all. it's 7 p.m. in ukraine, the release is for your attention.