the secret lives of the inside stuffs may 22nd on the w the this week on the 77 percent street debate, we used to be forced to speak english. why we, we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen, raised and in, so i really do you, do you lose your identity simply by learning another language. when i speak english, i church making means i have to leave or make oh, just behind my family to to, to, to do not just new phones with my father.

hello, and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites. which is in africa, the rest of them tons of media. now did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet so he remains a national language. in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that. as of today we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who but the 2 assets, then some fellow tons and he is. and i just want to start to be a general question, rachel. and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of has, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least to a more languages? that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks at least 3 languages, at least really well, at least for ok. so let's start with you. the last man who is a student here in terms of the yeah, he's actually from. 5 from diana. so

a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now to say you alex s b. i kind of a cheat analysis, this house that you also see costa. so for language and so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which was her name in english. okay. so is it normal for most sense and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages are going to be forward as it is, but i think, yeah, usually the standard 2 is usually defended, but most often it's one say okay, so when we think tons of media normally, the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. what he language, can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of the course has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so healy was the only literally the language abroad, this people together. so you'd have an arrow because the ceramic approaches

exposure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was born, which is i some of the phrases. some words is what he makes around, the court are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a bunch of language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases. and so obviously it's a concerted efforts, not just by the politicians, but also the people of times when you have to speak. so he be right, but obviously this has also brought some challenges for them on because uh well many people just speak to look into the not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow. right? yes, one of the people defended us. so he from the background, from the original smartphone, people who are like, you may be going to school with idea i got to need it's lynn english regardless. okay, so talk to me a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every, let me speak to you because you're a teach at

a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful. healy until you gets to secondary school. am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication, waiting. the governments which i have is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most of them to keep reading the language and gets used to eat and they grow with each. but when they reach 70, when they get they get to secondary. suppose that is when they sense using one language and that's his english as the meat of a communication, isn't this difficult to though? i mean to have that super high transition support? tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking my, the mother language is so human and then there you, you, you being to use another language in english. it's really hard for students to build up with 2 languages. yeah. so it's really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d, or is doing a pc is what he yeah, it's an adult,

something we have language is honestly along with your locals, along with the swahili language and the kinds of language. and do we have lots of lendy, a lot of language as much as much as we can. but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should instruct, there will do, should judge students who you're using the language, what do they know? and before my side doesn't, yeah, i think it's a bit just white white sway to because it's known if this it's not, it's not up to just one second said editable, so ditching using and the kind of language it's me is uses pop, those who lose a lot of energy and i'm telling you to read and look just to the do phase and just kind of given to just been up most of just as long as you're not coming to because you're raising your hands. they'll also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote, by the time actually that they my, the things uh, basically how do you use the tribes. okay. and then for the site,

it happens to be the main line with beth, is fucking indispensable. and for that reason each unites us. it brings us to give us some settings, and that is a piece right? we've spoken in in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about this and see should the, from the time able to stick on that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 2 years because the kid on the tv it has to try to transform . he will have so language. but if i see a so that they can pop up with the education and oh, that's okay. but the sub to years, they usually on the same level because the set speaking and at even control themselves in education vision on the english language. okay, maria, i work in publishing, so we see a lot of people who are um, no degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads per year. and, and this is almost always attribute to the fact that they only have to learn english in the, in, in seconds. or they only have had to learn. so he's in make only primary and then

they have to abandon it. so by the way, before we get to the floor, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done. we support the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get to that activity based on the why that language becomes a so you know that going for. so that interaction, we mean 1st linux, the language as the english language size. if someone came for me, they then i get now. so last week, the full reason is but as a matter of fact, as with any doctors locations. so during the, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up which is where the hierarchy of language is, right? so he said that when it comes to business of home speaking to your people, help on a pallet you're used this way. but when it comes to business, english is a preferred language. why? and so he's also an official language. in most cases we have bundled no language. so he, when switching for job searching for the, for the opportunities,

you must know english. you also speak. so he has such a national language, but it's does it actually help you to move to the high i live was when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. there, when we moved from the frame, i live a, we do a bundle know a long. okay, so we're talking about a bundling the language and yes, the people who i think talk to learn the language. lillian, here is from the bob way and she's doing a must of him. so he, so what got you thinking? this is a language i want to use even other terms. and he has himself say, who perhaps is not the best language of learning at the moment? well say for me i, i saw that you sway healy is getting over to me for my own country. let me just say that i'm the solicitor. there's like a tiny bit as well. okay. congratulations. yeah. so i assume that this language is

going to give me explain to me for like now but was, was setting to then it's use this to me specially to this is being forced to them to. so he is one feeling with this feeling, assessing that well they didn't chinese, their chinese, you're teaching the gym as you have teaching. well, they go for those language as well. so you don't have a, the one who's speaking is that now we'd say just of take to go for peace. why he left is also a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used for 2 lines like you need . do you think that we are forcing of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages say healy has always been new, will actually go, you know, it's links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the certainly being the, the, you know me language is a you and in the ac is that we understand that it links the voice more than

a language is a culture. so being african people relate to. so the healey speakers because you relate to the culture itself. well, just the language. yeah. so that's why we have a we really being honest with ourselves. yeah. if i'm just be content to be as a kind of kind of really want to make fun of tons of me is because of your proficiency of, of what he, i mean of english, we internalize the self hate so that we judge people based on the ability to just be a board language. let me get some thoughts the far right. because oh yeah, yeah. go ahead. i would have to say uh in since then, you know, when you speak english, when people look at you like, why intelligent and honest 6. so he, oh, when you can speak english, there was look actually doing a housing thing. an english foolish alcohol is like you're for cuz you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it. i was these uh we take speaking english as, as being intelligence. well, why is this the language? everybody can just do that and can you come in any language it can be would have it

doesn't, doesn't really matter. yeah. yeah. really. yeah. what is it just to, to research on the highlight your language actually, but we kind of to change. we actually have writers just that is we have english and then we have showing that they haven't did that. so now like english is being until white because it's the media from the same day for the whole country. we don't have like additional language, which is our own downwards. we only use english to send me, you know, communication safety metric, someone from another ethnic group. and you said this is can speak english to kind of slow yeah. transformed anything. so we actually have such pay like to send me a 2nd to just come to evelyn. i read that teaches us sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs the and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn. is this true to you? see what happens is, as my friend said, yeah,

that's english is being termed as they say, the means of intelligence. you see and not speaking english, you seem like you, you have an useful. okay. and that is, that becomes a very big problem. it does kind of just moving as okay. and my advice to the government, they think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have the public schools and private schools, i think we should also continue events on the 600 level. because that will give an option to of a to set it with the site, the language to keep on using it. and perhaps they will do it better. yeah. for i saw, i saw you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. oh good, did you have an experience in secondary i remember when what sort of those are the rules to speak english and if you don't speak english for the day, the punishments and everything. so normal punishment like, you know, the local, you know, 660 a couple of speak to get a couple of 6, you know,

punishments in there. so we had really to, to cope using english, try not to speak with you at all. wow. well, day from wanting to evening, maybe later on in the the waning and there the dummy street. that's why you were sick. so he a little. yeah. uh, but i mean, this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language . right. let me hear from you see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. of why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you reach and secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you'll really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school they haven't explain why, what, what are the importance of

a student to speak these uh english. but they are forcing you at the end of the day, you have to speak a english for monday to do it evening. then you find yourself, you are hungry, you are here and you are ending up hating these things. schools, english. so i really like what you said about it even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english and it to a certain degree. yeah. but when we draw so healey, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you don't seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture, lose our stories. you're growing up, we as you know, tons onions historically we being started have been passed down to us by your oral traditions or like we have grandfather's grandmother sending us stories. and so he but then you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're no longer being told, go stories,

are he then no longer reading it is really the no longer right jesus or he, you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on. there's a sort of like a cultural erasure that's happening where people forget who they are. so you, you find yourself unable, i'm actually a victim of that unable to, to relate and connect with your own language. so that loss of identity comes across as you recall it sophisticated because you learn english, you able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person and really should say to really be seen cause. so someone said here when them most students who are not really pressing very good because of the area and then we don't get a lot of people that sell professional in many areas like 2 industries. i learned a movie and us and everything. so we were, you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories,

to rachel books, you know, to make a film to do everything for us this way. she said we are losing our own stories like who are raised on. so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a lot which is on, so let me hear from, you mean the like would be a c, h would that makes leaving your language assigned. and let me someone who makes you these items when they say they can use them. but i think it would you like me to court your things, detaining like right now, for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary doreen. yes he has to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 quotes or things which i know right now. but all of the things that we're doing, big things like instructors, okay, we don't to anything. but do you, do you lose? your identity is simply by learning another language, or is it because because, i mean, i speak multiple languages, right? i have no step to being i, q queen, or kenya and, or an african. well,

the problem is that when you live along which, you know, sites, it's like the people who the language like when the problem comes. so when i speak english, i types of just like an english person, you know, 18, they can do this. this is, this means i have to leave all my cultures behind and it's like that one i am learning about, right. so let me ask last month when, when he started learning, what can you do find yourself making decisions that were different from say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot, by the way, when you dream, what language do you dream? and i think that seems right now and even speaking that kind of the house side kind of looks like. mm hm. yeah. let me ask the rena here because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial revolution, everybody using the digital space as what he is fairly well represented, but not enough, right?

are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just love speaking? what language do we need to localize? the digital tools nice localize the content so that they can be accessing swahili language. i mean this way we going to be able to save a lot of wage and to make sure that this generation stands in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because they normally get the money market for sticking a movie at the future. interiors with the site and dozen yards. alice done that along with and so even in the, towards mid, maybe for these, this bypass they would guess transform those technology for me all along with 2 months. so the fact that that comes for me from i've been active language, we have been forced to add that to technology rather than take longer. this one that i totally get 2 points can be 200 millions because of so healy on the

continents. surely it should be adopted. yeah, i a so, so i totally get you points. um, so back to you creating in your mother's tongue. it's like you, you how does that compare to when you perhaps seeing right in india, she's an octave. spite of it's for sure. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your model number, because you're being yourself still, you're being, you're living under your own scan, nothing in there because it's so find out what i mean. and we by you, and we're not going to when a talk with you to him, we by and cannot go to the volume, but he will fly before i can give. is that a focus or heating? so the name of because reading is still fun. you that he's the budget is the own. enjoy the music, like, you know, people can go to the so many i know for the oh that's, i'm gonna see if you what you're the one you, i'm good you can still find, i don't know like a how you met test is only 20 likely to sign a few of them we buy you can we use that you to an actress or are seeing now you

find out why raffle. ok, i like that. so we need to the piece of the language is because it helps us tell us stories. one point going and a big by using the being forced on the yeah. is that so that those the so slow you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages know i'm a realtor survey, you can see the road to be for for the device. so i'm going to be using english. i'm looking for the button on what to do. maybe i can do much, elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as marty slot a early me to go to the do not get new phones the la you. if i just wonder what to go know, are you how by the new was out of your change. it is. i just you saw it on so could you not to your from your phone to bother you have both chevy from the you. little the words to embody folio follow variable. now you've got the model of your to

example. could you look it up like when i'm ready for the so i have to watch the bodies. what was about we, i think it is possible that you could use a double. yeah. well you have to talk to modify. like in thinking about that is obviously. so why do you when you know both see oh, i knew as oh, wonderful. just wasn't working. what your, why didn't well physics what one was then what is, why don't you, when i went to for force because these are the is a, can do is a little bit different. what do you, what you don't, those are the don't, did you go, did you lose hope you're doing? like watching the please don't to rustle up underneath. there must be multiple drugs i using the younger couple of them. i really, really loved the passion that you're speaking here about, but i think we need some practical steps. yeah, i think, you know, they do well with all the speaking of them. other times perhaps a lingua franca, which is an african language and then english. but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking?

how do we get more people interested in applicant language? is what people speaking them writing and then seeing them doing debates in them. let's have some ideas. so i think uh, on my side, i'll do more localized things uh do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to present this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. you had another point for me which will be our site calling language. we have this, whatever we are doing as me then said that we should emphasize using all along. so from there, when we transform them that on we move them valerie to natalie to not track visions to the colleges. so typically we are doing, we do it through the phase of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah. let's hear from you. other bye for the one i see a honda comes, what are you talking about? so he will, it's only lucy, so he but you also losing out and that's his language is for now we have

a native language. is he a, does any of that dying, for example, come the language. lots, most of us know the kind of language it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken. and he, so he does spoken by 15 countries, and not only that you sent africa, but also in the western africa and the central africa, the some country speaking. so he and we have to for once the, he at the level that all of the african countries have to speak. so he, he's defies to them which to be spoken. he ate africa, south africa, the teaching. so healy is, well yeah. they recently adopted the to the one let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? new language is okay. so i think these 3 ok, governments deficient constituents in particular do conference that should work together. government should make the varieties in making us what healey as our main language, but also accessibility to pretend it is. but also the technology company that should have the different access in producing the device or products like apps that should have also put the as late as

a pot of many windows up well. so we have lots of, you know, rates as we have another free created this one he does on it. they have a d s o, maybe they have design sorted. but we have to preserve those with within those ideas because you have to be in the english, even the inefficient challenges sort of an efficient challenge. they name is still going to move it, but they don't know how to use that man. just sort of got them into the kitchen, go solution integral you composition up to get them from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you agree that the good from lots of, of healing. let us drop the ideas. that's when you speak english, you'd be looking like to intelligence and wells and everything. let us send that out to you. so i really like you. so i you to connect to speak to, to us why healey miller africa. let's as use it to be sure what the speech of what children that the, the child, what community so that we can promote it. well,

you swahili look on j. thank you so ok. so maria, somebody's in the, in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change our mindset on what we su would be a quote unquote commercial. because i think that when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world to show you that if we are adamant to make contents, to create books to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that, we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote the language is that still the most religious to us? and also we have the we, we, the world who make room for that. if we do it, i like that. and i think that's a great place to wrap this debate. we started with the simple question, how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is,

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