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and tonight to trump legal strategies and the evidence that one is working and the other might be working. again. it's the former president of the united states. the first deny, deny, deny in minutes, the eight-year history of the many, many times that trump has repeated his denials about stormy daniels and insisted a picture is all there is to the story. >> now the adult film star, as you can imagine, telling a very different version of events, the jury under oh, today and sayyed 100 center street. now, daniels left out the way the most salacious details, but not much else. she chronicled how that night and lake tahoe in 2006 escalated from chatter to a dinner invitations that is hotel suite to silk pajamas deposing and his boxers on the bed to sex. trump. listen, they scowl extra across his face from much of the nilly five hours that she's spent on that witness stand. trump nudge. did i say nudge lightly? nudge his laura is as repeatedly to object as prosecutors prompted

daniels to explain how cohen allegedly a trumps direction, engineered the deal to keep her quiet. now the they got there by at the app was well and landed some notable dense in her story suggesting that she was an opportunist who's been making money for years, often whispers of this tryst who's inventing this story from thin air. >> at one point, trump attorneys susan niclas, elicited this answer question. am i correct that you hate president trump? >> daniels? >> yes. >> but the other legal strategy that is paying dividends for donald trump, delay delay, delay. the classified documents, trial in florida is postponed until tbd, a date that is not known and may likely be after the november election. that's according to a new order from the us district judge, aileen cannon. judge cannon argues that there are too many rules in to any deadlines and she has to wade through before thinking about a firm, start for jack smith's

case here to tick through all of the important testimony from quite a day in court today, deanna paul, olivia newsy, jodi jackson, mercedes colwyn, and dante milis, joey. let's get right to it give it to us. what happened in the court today. >> the devil's in the details. and do i have details? so let's start with the transcript. all right. so now, prosecutor, can you briefly describe where you had sex with him daniel stormy daniels, that is the next thing i know. i was on the bed somehow on the opposite side of the bed from where we had been standing. i had my clothes and shoes off. i believe my brar, however, was still on we were in the missionary position. objection. says defense counsel. the judge sustained prosecutor, without describing the position, do you remember how your clothes got off? answer by stormy daniels? no prosecutors that a memory that has not come back to you objection.

>> again, defense counsel, the judge sustain prosecutor, you don't at this point, remember, is that correct? stormy daniels? >> correct. prosecutor. and did you end up having sex with him on the bed? stormy daniels? yes. >> prosecutor. and, did you know withdrawn. do you have a recollection of feeling something unusual that you have a memory of? objection, the judge, again, sustain prosecutor, what, if anything, do you remember anything other than the fact that you had sex with him on the bed? stormy daniels, i was staring at the sailing. i didn't know how i got there. i made note like i was trying to think about anything other than what was happening there. objection. again, the judge sustained. defense counsel, i move to strike the judge. the answer is stricken boom lot of stuff going on in that courtroom regarding pretty i think the question is, what does that

have to do with anything that's a very good answer. but i think the question, but here's the issue. the issue is is that this is the elephant in the room. the elephant in the room, of course, is the actual affair. and when i say that that was in the details, i think if you're going to be descriptive with respect to having an affair, trump is denied the affair repeatedly. this sort of gives a sense that it actually took place. now, i've read some things i didn't read other things. i didn't get into the set pajamas thomas i didn't get into the boxers. i didn't get into the other the nature of the hotel being three times the size of her home. and so i think those color commentary gives a sense of the fact that it happened. number one, and gives a sense of urgency of why you wouldn't want the voters to know anything about that. it might affect the lecture in process, but also, i mean focus well guys thinking about the objections, why would these defense counsel so quick to get on their feet and say objection about this. >> right? there was the information that was another big elephant in the room to

suggest that somehow this was not consensual. and now she has denied that it was not consent. she said that it was consensual fifth root repeated heatedly, but the defense council did not want even the slightest innuendo that she was suggesting by looking up into the ceiling and wanting to be anywhere, but there than it would give additional fodder for that very point. that's important for this defense to make sure it's not prejudicial on that moment. >> you definitely want to rule out any the jury having any idea that this was not consensual because they will impact how they look at donald trump is a person that's why you want to rule that out. but i want to clarify this and say this. we have this idea that a prosecution puts together their case in everybody is on board with their plan everybody is on board with everything they're doing. that's not how it works. sometimes you have a witness that has their own motive and clearly, she went in there and wanted to make it clear that this actually happened. this for better or for worse, is now the most important moment in her life. her affair with donald trump, and he's denying it. you can tell she went in there wanting to prove to

everybody that she knew will be listening, that this a happened. and that's why she interjected with those details to make it clear. >> yeah. >> you've spent some time with her, you've talked to her about this exact moment. how does it stack up to the version that she's told you? and what did you make of how she came across on the stand today? >> thank you for staying her. the facts of stayed the same over these years, i first met her in 2018, not that long after the wall street journal report about this first came out. and i've subsequently interviewed her and stayed in touch with her the facts of stayed the same, but her own interpretation of the dynamic between the two of them, between herself and donald trump? has evolved over time. i mean, not dissimilar to say how monica lewinsky is opinion of what happened between her and bill clinton evolved from when the immediate aftermath until more recently, monica talked about the that she could not have given consent because of the power dynamic that was evolution of thought initially stormy was very much talking about how she you definitely

had agency. she was not a victim. we saw in her anderson cooper interview, for instance, back in 2018, i believe it was talking about i am not a victim when i last spoke to her about this on the record in 2023, she began to feel not just about this situation and not saying that the sex itself was not consensual, but in general, she felt victimized by the entire thing. she felt victimized by the way that donald trump's supporters had gone after her had threatened her. she felt victimized, by the way, that her family had been affected by all of this, how her life has been defined, as you said, by this and she began to feel like she was no longer just tough as nails and sort of getting her way through it. and it really has taken a toll on her but when it comes to the sex itself and whether or not it was consensual. she's never claimed that it was outright rape, but she is operating now in this sort of nuanced place where she's saying that there is a sort of gray area where their power dynamic was made. things sort of unclear. it's difficult, i think when you talk about that in an interview for a magazine or future talk

about it on your podcast. it's very difficult. different than talking about it in a courtroom. >> and that's why the fans councils on their feet, right? deanna, to think themselves, hold on. i mean, you talk about once i do that, anything they want this to be about the sexiest thing in this courtroom. the documents, 34 counts of falsified records. we know it's optically sexy, but that's what this case is actually coming down to. but the idea that she is talking about how she might feel afterwards or victimisation by others with the threat by somebody in a parking lot. i think it was in las vegas. >> the prosecution has to focus her on a very narrow window, just what happened to secure the nda. >> that's the point in time. they have to keep her confined to your you're absolutely right. and that's why defense before she took the stand, raised all of this. they raise the objection. they said, judge, we want to make sure that this testimony is limited, that she stays within the guidelines that you've set up. we don't think it's relevant how she felt at the time. we don't think it's relevant how she felt after. and then you see i when she starts testifying, she's going way out of the guidelines that were set up. she's talking about

are implying that to an extent wasn't consensual. she's talking about this imbalance of power and she's talking about things that just aren't relevant to this trial. >> prosecutors kinda poke the baer. why would they do that? on that particular issue? they were i'm reading this and they're kinda digging. >> oh is that a memory that has not come back to you? they're asking right there, probing into this abyss why it's something that's used in half injured during the arguments before stormy daniels took the stand, she said she made that argument then that it's really important that the jury no context and how she felt in that moment and i think susan was trying to take it as far as she possibly could, but that also the defense started the objected consistently every time they thought something got a little bit past the line, which is also why i was surprised the judge merchan kind of punted it back to the events being like, you should have injected more. >> well, they should've objective hey do you have the judge saying like, i'm

objecting for you? i wasn't as i'm laura coates told there's and it was objection. right to them. >> large coates, you're absolutely objective. >> but here's the issue and we're trying lowers your you have to be so careful because if you object, object, object. the jury's gonna be like, what are you afraid of? why are you so afraid that this, witness is going to say something that's going to be damaging to you. so it is to be very, very strategic, but that testimony they came in and the fact that the prosecutors pushing those edges so much farther and then the allegation that it may not have been consensual. that's super problematic from the prosecutor and it may it's not going to result in a mr.. that's already been ruled upon. it's not but it may be an appealable issue. we'll have to see. that's really sick. i just say something. there have been some there's some speculation about what her motives may have been in talking this way today and she was asked if she hated him. she said, yes. my read of it,

knowing her a bit. it's pure stormy daniels. she's really colorful character. she speaks in a colorful way. she's a writer. she wrote a book. she started writing it long before the donald trump thing happened. it's really funny book of essays where this is just one episode she's very colorful. she's a great storyteller. it was actually measured de for her, i think rhetorically way more detail single book and no way she storytellers the way the idea that this is just, this was a performance and this was some sort of, i, don't know, aberrant behavior from her, but you also have to believe that the prosecution prosecution told her, here's our parameters. right. we're about this. we're not allowed to talk about that she had to know that and be told that. and it's seemingly she went far beyond john donald trump saying you're a liar, you're a liar, you're liar exactly to your point. >> dante finally, i'm under oath. i'm going to say my story and no one can stop me. >> she ended up things that are very important. number one, we

prep witnesses, whether you the defense, and the prosecution, you prep them and it's not that he to script, but that's pretty specific question machines. and you're listening pretty specific testimony that's number one. number two, if your witnesses going left, you pull them to the center. your witness goes right you pull them back and so the issue here or not and why not to your point, abby, why didn't they pull them back? why did they allow prosecutors that is the testimony to go off the rails in that way yeah. >> i mean can't we just can we just call it what it is? >> i mean prosecutors had a tricky witness and they kind of let her loose. yes. >> but why would listen? i teach i am a professor of law and i teach my students. you put your case in it's up to the attorney on the other side to guard against that. if you believe you have a reasonable basis to ask a question, you extra question. and if there's an objection and the judge says, sustain out of this, i'm not asking the question hurts your case. not the not the defense. >> at the end of the de the prosecutor is going to say, what's it worth? it? >> was that testimony worth it to begin, the answer is for us on here probably yes, because

you have to say this is, this obviously puts everything into context. it was such an extreme green issue that happened with stormy daniels. it had to be out there. the elephant had to be called out into the room. so i was all in context as a sex prosecutor. i know my de is watching this all she really said was missionary sex & condom wasn't used. i mean, we've all heard far more salacious. >> it wasn't it wasn't, let's go i wasn't it wasn't all the sector were some other things, but jeremie will get to us, sorry to get us there a little bit later, everyone stick around trump's attorneys are pushing for a miss after parts of stormy daniels testimony today, as we've been discussing. >> but judge merchan was not pleased with the test some one though, he did not necessarily by what the defense was saying, will tell you what happened after that. >> plus, there's breaking today trumps federal classified documents case is getting now an indefinite delay, potentially until surprise. surprise. after the election, you're watching news tonight's special coverage of the hush money trial of donald j. trump welcome to the world

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help your hand at neutrophil.com. even mackenzie in washington cnn you're watching our special live coverage of the hush money trial of donald trump. >> trump's attorney putting forward a motion for a mistrial based on today's testimony, which the judge judge merchan denied, our panel is back with us. joey, i want to get to some more of your dramatically reading because i'm so fascinated by it this time about milan, yeah, because she was mentioned she's not been in the courtroom, has not been anywhere near this courthouse at all that may or may not be a good thing for the defense raise later to say that it's shielding her. but tell me what happened, why she came up more salacious snus. okay. here we go all right.

>> all right. so the prosecutor asked the following question. let me ask you at some point, was there a very brief discussion about his wife melania answer by stormy daniels? yes. very brief. prosecutor, did this occur in the context of you viewing a picture that included his wife? stormy? yes. he showed me a few pictures of things and i said, oh, what about your wife prosecutor, what did he say? stormy daniels. i actually said she is very beautiful. what about your wife? he said, oh, don't worry about that. we are actually we don't even sleep in the same room boom listen, i think it provides more context. remember, trump has always denied that there was ever an affair, right? never happen, didn't exist. nothing to see here. and so this is more specifics, devil always in the details, it didn't happen. yes, it did. and here's how it went down. and so i think that's sort of add to the credibility of what you're trying to say, which is that they would again if they have

an open marriage, it sound like that's what storming dan, just like my wife's not going to care. we don't even sleep together. so if at the end of the de scene, i had to hide this money, i had to i had to make sure that this money was paid to crm daniel lecture right? >> but exactly. but he's going to say it's family. but if he doesn't ever relationship, it doesn't have a sexual relationship with his wife. >> why would why would he care? >> well, how lie that i buy that argument that there was actually some substance to this anecdote about millennia. but on the the defense basically said halfway through this, they were like ms trial, judge, miss trial obviously denied, but that's basically setting a predicate for appeals down the road not maybe not because of this anecdote but there was a lot that was said stormy daniels was like gossiping with her best friend's on the witness stand and they're going to take every single one of those things and say, what does

this have to do with the charges at hand? >> absolutely. i think when you look at it, the prosecutor, their job is going to be when those appeals come up. and that's why they move for ms here. i don't think they thought they would get one, but procedurally, you have to you have to move for mistrial because that preserves your rights on appeal. that's why they did that here. but when it comes up on appeal, the prosecution is going to have to point specifically for each fact how it's important to this case. and just like you said, is it's perfect that makes sense because if he's saying i'm doing all this to protect me my wife. but you don't even care about your wife in a moment, you guys aren't sleeping in the same bedroom. it kinda makes that idea farfetched. it makes it more likely he cares about the campaign as opposed to protecting his wife. we really doesn't have a strong relationship with anyway, but there are two different moments in time to think about, right? there's a 2006 the word a fair maybe should not be used in this context. are there, they're saying this was a transactional occurrence that daniels is saying happen. trump is saying did not happen, but that it took place in 2006 the falsified business records as

alleged takes place after the inauguration of donald trump into the white ash talking about a very big period of time. so even him saying this, that my wife and i are in separate rooms, but i think at the time she just had a newborn that was barren, right? that's part of what's going on here as well allegedly. but at that time, the motivation that would develop to falsify business records is actually more than a decade later right? >> yeah. >> absolutely. i i don't know. it like you were just saying, i mean, it's you have this idea that you have to preserve the record on appeal. they had to make them miss trial motion. but at the same time, i think it was way more than that. i mean, it was the least surprising thing and this entire trial, i think that they made this motion today? we're. talking about lack of consent. they were talking about imbalance of power. there are a lot of things, particularly in light of the weinstein reversal a week ago. >> of course, they were gonna make this motion and i do think there are ripe grounds for appeal. >> i don't know that they'll win, but it's definitely something that's a valid argument. >> yeah, but yeah, go ahead but

to your point about the timeline, right. just hear me viewers talking about and it's a very valid point because we're talking about an affair that's years later, i'm sorry. >> what interaction would never interact whatever but in the event that he doesn't care, then what did the relationships solidifies such that he would care ten years late if they had an open marriage at that point, right. is the issue. and his wife was not a big deal. she became a big deal ten years later. in other words, the relevance of this discussion is that what was your motivation? sir? was it about hiding it from your wife who sleeps in separate beds and you really you know, she's not going to mind that we get together or is it about you being elevated to the presidency? because if this is out of two voters that becomes problematic. so that i think is a relevant point i do want to say i mean, melania trump is a catholic woman from slovenia our modern usage of the phrase open marriage

probably does not apply to their relationship if they had some sort of understanding if she definitely knew who she married and was okay with that that's one thing, but i think the idea of it being an open marriage in this way that we use that term. >> now is probably not quite right. and my understanding sending them along each trump has always been covering her as the first lady, it's been that what she was concerned about was being humiliated publicly. and all of these things can be true at once. he could have been trying to shield her and trying to shield himself from scrutiny from the electorate. if you have an angry wife who does not want to participate in your election, that's an optics issue and a political bless just as it's an issue in your marriage, she would push back publicly in moments like this when the stuff came up, i want to just touch on another big thing that happened today, which is that in florida, the classified documents case, judge, aileen cannon says, she doesn't think this case is going to happen anytime soon. she's got too many issues on her play. she's got eight motions that she is yet to rule

on we had a charge on earlier today, who brought up the elephant in the room for her, which is that this is an extremely inexperienced judge who has basically left on her plate all of these issues and now this case might not be heard until maybe after the election. >> i which is amazing though if you think about it. so me, most of my practices federal, these federal judges have a lot of clerks that can help her with these motions. one of those motions is actually jury instructions. well, as the federal practitioner, all of us who practice and in the courtroom those jury instructions don't become ripe until the trial begins and then you start to negotiate what those trial instructions are going to be. but to have so laced basically, you've seven substantive motions own she has the ability to have her clerks at least helper with some of them it seems pretty implausible. and i mean, i hate to criticize especially one that i might appear before and in that district, but there has to be there's some questions that need to be answered.

>> everybody all day and i've been listening, have been talking about how this judge should be moving this alone. >> could it be that this judge understands if she takes that case to trial? >> look, what trump does it did the judge merchan maybe she doesn't want to do that. maybe because she wants to delay this and not be in the spotlight because she knows her life is going to be looked at and told it's not a reason to that. but i'm not able to delay she's doing this because clearly she is she's it, but why simple answer why? because i think the judge clearly is has a bias for trump he appointed that particular judge and it seems that since the outset, she's been going bending over backwards to assist and help him. that's my plain and simple answer. >> things that make it go. who was that so i don't know, everyone. thank you so much. stick around trauma daniel's. we'll call it vivid testimony at the heart of the hush maya trial. we'll continue on thursday next. our news and we'll talk with the friend that she called that night in lake tahoe but that testimony stay with us a cnn exclusive

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been pro i'm pete monday, ana reagan national airport. this is cnn today's stormy daniels spent quite a lot of hours. we're counting with a lot of detail how she wound up in a hotel room with a former president of the united states that encounter is at the very heart of the donald trump hush money cover-up trial but trump plausibly or not has always deny that this affair ever even happened starting back in 2016, just weeks before it rumors swirled about the adult film actress shopping. her story our total fiction they said they

never happened they never happen all 100% totally and completely fabricated. never met this person, these people, i don't know who they are well, that was just the beginning. >> denial number two, four days before the election. hope hicks told the wall street journal the affair was quote absolutely unequivocally untrue just as news of the uh, hundred and $30,000 payment, the core of this trial became public. trump's then leuser and now potential witness michael cohen, told the wall street journal in january of 2018 quote, president trump once again, vehemently denies any such occurrence as has ms daniels two months after that, daniel's told her story to cnn's anderson cooper on 60 minutes i just heard the voice tonight. well, you put yourself in a bad situation and bad things happen, so you deserve this. >> and you had sex with him? yes. >> you were 27. he was 60.

where you physically attracted to him? no. >> not at all. no. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. >> but i didn't i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. i'm not. >> it was entirely concentric. oh, yes. >> then after that, trump's attorney, rudy giuliani inserted himself into all of this, denying to daniels account so the president does deny any sexual relationship with stormy daniels. >> he has i have not. i'm not i said i'm not involved in that but the reality is he denies it. >> so fast forward now to january of 2023, just as manhattan da alvin bragg was asking a grand jury to hand up an indictment, trump is out again calling daniels horse face and adding it all caps. never had an affair. >> and then three weeks before he was actually charged shot, posted on truth social i never had an affair, with drama. daniel's nor would i have wanted to have an affair with stormy daniels.

>> but, you know, trumps constant denials have been met with heavy skepticism or as maybe centered admit it as far as i know, you don't pay someone a hood and $30,000 not to have sex with you our next guest is a friend and colleague, stormy daniels. a lot of evan says that she was almost in the room that light in fact, she actually came up and stormy daniels is testimony today. prosecutor susan hoffinger having juror asked daniels, did you end up calling your friend elena from the hotel room? stormy daniels replied, yes. often der did you put her on speaker? stormy daniels? yeah. and she said, what are you guys doing and he said he being trump were just hanging out hoffinger. asked when you called her and add are on speakerphone, did mr. trump asked her to come over and join you as well? stormy daniels yes. >> now, evidence says that trump told her over the phone to come party, but she decided not to.

>> evans would eventually speak out publicly after the two initially denied the affair. >> a lot of evans joins me& abby now, a lot of ice you took a deep breath for a second before you started speaking. this must be particularly comfortable to be here and see this moment play out in a manhattan courtroom uncomfortable is definitely not the word that i would use. >> this is the first time that i have seen myself from storming is sayyed being put into this equation it's the first time that my name from her camp has been mentioned in this to see me talked about today during the testimony it feels so good. >> it is so validating. it's this whole time, i've done nothing but express the truth

of what happened that night and the phone calls that occurred and spending time with her, and the things that were discussed. and then of course, the way we spoke the next day and her accounting, her details of what had happened. >> i've lived that moment again and again and again and to see it's just being talked about that way during his case it's incredibly empowering for me and i'm actually really thankful for it yeah. >> i mean, i remember you telling me about that exact thing that was described in court today last week, and you also told me about stormy, that you thought that she was strong, she was ready to take the witness stand? we didn't see her physically, but we've been reading all night long about her testimony, hearing from people who were inside of the courthouse from what you've seen and heard? >> how do you think she did

today? >> how do you think she came across to that jury given the reports that have come out and the testimony that has been shared it sounds to me like stormy represented herself incredibly well that she stood by her truth that she shared who she is as a person, how she grew up, her life the amazing woman that she is shined today. >> and then of course, when you switch sides and she's being questioned by his defense attorney and being treated as if she's not being truthful and having them behave as if there's inconsistencies in her story. i'm sure she's stared right down at them and stood solid to her truth i don't see any consistencies beyond the fact that stormy was literally forced to sign an nda. i say

forced because donald trump is such an incredibly powerful ban that when this nda took place, when the payoff took place i can't imagine what choice she would have had otherwise. the power that donald's represents is the whole reason why i stayed away in the first place. the feared that i had back in 2006. and so i completely understand all of the circumstances surrounding this i'm really proud of her for there was a pretty contentious moment and the court you talked about the potential for her standing strong. i want to just share with you. there was an exchange between the defense counsel for donald trump, a woman by the name of susan nechele, she asked, am i correct? >> that you hate president trump, to which stormy said, yes necklace said and you want them to go to jail, right? >> stormy said, i want him to be held accountable. necklace then said, you want him to go to jail. >> am i correct? she responded

if he's found guilty yes. now, there'll be a lot made about her motivation, whether she's bias, whether she can no longer be objective to be credible based on her feelings towards the former president in states. >> what did you think of that exchange? >> i think it's completely natural and understandable for stormy to have the feelings towards a man that is called her horse face. >> that has repeatedly called her a liar about an encounter that not only is clearly true, but you had violated her in in quite awful ways. she of course, we know violated her. talk to you about i want to clarify that when you say violated, i think you're good. i was wearing now. yeah. excuse me. >> yes yes. >> when she discussed today in her testimony about how she checked out, she blacked out from the moment that it began to the moment in that moment when you're a person, no

matter your gender, having to check out of something that you're doing physically and setting actually, it's views you're not feeling good about what you're doing. she talked about to me the morning after that, he chased her around the room in his underwear and during testimony, talked about how he blocked a door while she's still consented. it's clear that she didn't feel good about what was happening and didn't feel good about having to share her body in that way. and that is what i mean by violated and do you think that that's relevant to bring up in the case? it kinda came up a little bit. but not fully. do you think the jury should have heard about that that's an interesting question. >> i think that the reason why it is relevant is because it really shows exactly how stormy was feeling in the moment. but more importantly, that residual feeling that you will have in these moments that can cause

this type of honest discomfort and trauma moving forward, of course, it's going to affect how she feels about the man. but again, it doesn't change the truth about what happened. it doesn't change the truth about the payoff, and it doesn't change what the outcome of this case should be. and so i don't think that her feelings about him in that way should matter. >> have you been called to testify in this case i have not so you have the receipt of a subpoena of any kind or been speaking with their counsel on either side no. >> no one has reached out to me. and so when i heard that i was talked about today, i was a little not surprised, but curious now, it's moving forward. if i'm going to start hearing from other authorities, so we'll see what happens. >> curious as well. a lot of avons. thank you so much, great to hear from you on a day when you were a part of the conversation today in that courthouse. appreciate it.

>> thank you. >> and it was a split-screen that is frankly assigned at the times you've got two candidates, one in a courtroom, the other at a somber speech on capitol hill. we're going to discuss with a former white house it's official jen psaki, who is here with us next every week de morning, cnn's 5,000 what you need to get going with. >> you're de it's the five essential stories of the morning in five minutes or less cnn's five things with kate bolduan streaming weekdays exclusive similarly on macs ever miss before you're preventing migraine with q lepton, never truly forget migraine, but zero migraine days are possible, don't think if allergic if you lift up, most common side effects are nausea, constipation, sleepiness, heel up, theft, that forget you get migraine medicine the ups stores, not just the shipping store, where the shipping store the leave the packing to watch store we

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anti-semitism in the united states amid weeks of protests on college campuses now here we are not 75 years later, but just 7.5 months later have people who already forgetting we're already forgetting that a boss unleash this terror chemosh, a brutalize israelis there are some boss it took him continues to hold hostages i have not forgotten nor have you. and we will not forget turning me now to discuss these dueling images as someone who is no stranger to messaging or the white house for that matter. and many of you at home, former white house press secretary and msnbc host jen psaki. she is also the author of this brand new books, say more lessons from work. the white house and the world. it's available today get to

steal you for one evening i'm happy to be here with you. >> i wanted to talk to you about that kind of split screen for a couple of reasons. one, the message in this book is about how to have difficult conversations. it feels like the country right now needs somebody to sit them down and have a tough conversation about maybe one of the biggest historically difficult issues ever, which is middle east peace. is president biden getting there? do you see him? actually doing the job the way that you think it needs to be done right now, what another child? after i talk about in here is called say less which is the moment and i, and i use that example because diplomacy is very difficult to communicate about. there are valid critiques of how it's been imperfect in part because the situation on the ground is imperfect and incredibly challenging. >> the best thing that the present i can do right now is

get to a ceasefire deal. that's i know that that's what john kirby said today. that is true. and the challenge is that you have prime minister netanyahu, who as you all know, how is incentivized in some ways to continue this war, to continue it because that's what it's public wants so if you're in the white house, if you're on the national security team, what you need to do is keep a lot of those negotiations and discussions quiet in order to try to make progress. they haven't made enough progress yet. no question about it, but that's what they can do. that's what you can do as president are on the national security. >> let, let's talk more work behind the scenes. harb now, i do think it's important abeer, you didn't mention the but i do think it's important that the president addressed it last week. >> i do think it's important. he's going to morehouse i do think it's important and significant given how close the historic relationship is, that there have been reports that i think that have now been confirmed from the white house and administration that they have held back on weapons, the use of leverage is important. >> but it's also in moments like this, the diplomacy, what 20 blinken and bill burns and

others are doing, we're probably not going to know all about it until there's a great story, tiktok of it that tells us everything that happened. >> but that's how you get to a ceasefire deal. >> meanwhile, donald trump is outside of the courthouse every day, not talking about whatever his reelection campaign is about. i mean, as a democrat, you might be overjoyed, but as a communicator huge missed opportunity for him not to be out of the courthouse, not to be using this unfiltered airtime to say something other than his grievances well, i think for him, he the grievances is his message. >> he is speaking to the aggrieved in the country and for the biden campaign or for death i'm a craps out there for many people who may not love joe biden, but don't let, certainly don't like donald trump. it might be perplexing. how is this message working? well, it's working in part because his message is simple. it's consistent. i think it's dark and incredibly dangerous as do many people.

>> but being aggrieved and being a target and being which has such a crazy thing to say his his perception, his is the victim of two-tiered system of justice, which by the way, there is a two-tiered system of justice. >> he is not the victim of it. he's, he's not the poster child that's his message he is speaking to people who feel aggrieved out there in the country. and there is a population people relate to that, speaking of which i actually want to play what donald trump said in an interview with wga al today about the campus protests and here's the analogy that he made well i'll just read it because i think we don't have it, but it says but i didn't is a threat to democracy. january 6 was nothing like this. they're ripping down all the schools. they're ripping down our institutions. they're protesting all over the place. and very violent to their protesting all over the place. this is a threat to democracy. he is a threat to democracy because he's in competent, this is a tactic out of the kremlin playbook. it is projection. it works an

authoritarian. governments where leaders like vladimir putin, this is what we've seen over the last couple of years. is it really? >> say, i'm not going to use nuclear weapons. they're using nuclear weapons. >> i'm not attacking, they're attacking. this is what trump is doing. i think anybody, even people who may find them intriguing may consider voting for him. no, i shouldn't say anyone because there are still huge percentage of people who still think he won the 2020 election. but it is factual and history tells us that he is the person who is the threat to democracy had a role in the lead up to january 6. i'm not talking from a legal front that can be decided by the courts. i'm talking about facts and history here. but projection makes it confusing for the public. it makes it feel everyone is corrupt everyone's a threat to our democracy. that's a strategy and that's one out of the authoritarian playbook. yeah, i mean, he's he tries to boomerang everything that's coming toward him. >> back. in other people. this book, jen, i want you to tell tell us a little bit about why you felt like you needed to write this. i've known you

since i was like a little baby reporter and you were the communications director and i loved how you talked about in all the roles that you've had, the growth that's you've experienced, the lessons that you've learned, which is not to say that you start off in your first job really knowing everything, but you've learned a lot along the way. hey, and it's in here. you don't and this is a book. when i left the white house, i had some moments to breathe. >> it's everyone does. >> and i thought a lot about all the things i wanted to tell my kids. i mean, they're a little older than your daughter, but they're six and eight now, they're not quite old enough yet. and the type of book that i wish i would have had in my 20s, a lot of times, people look at you, abby, and they think oh, she just came out of the earth like this. >> notice the anchor of, uh, primetime show on cnn, you didn't, you work your tail off. >> you made mistakes. you learn how to talk two bosses, you learned how to give feedback. you'll learn how to deal with bullies and people who are being tough, sometimes people we were interviewing, sometimes people you're asking tough questions those are the lessons that are important. i've been

there for moments in history. you've covered moments in history some of that's in the book, lots of stories where heal people know. but the mistakes, the moments i learned from that's really what has made me who i am today. yeah. >> and you've had some tough bosses, right on top topics to be prepared to go it sometimes it's not the hardest part what you say to us in the media say in the oval office to the president of the united states those lessons what's the secret that people don't understand about what it takes to be able to do that i think a big thing it took me some time to learn. maybe you can relate to is how to give feedback to tough bosses. and i talk about not tough bosses, but any kind of boss, a president of the united states is at the tiny, is a tough boss and some of it is when i, when i finally cross the threshold and realize being a yes woman is not actually serving a boss. >> you need to figure out how to give direct and clear and straightforward advice even when it's tough to hear, it took me some time to learn to

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