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department of corrections in new york says, we're ready for city prison official tells out front where trump would likely do his time plus breaking this our israel forging ahead with an assault on raffa. >> this is forces are reportedly boys to take over a main crossing tonight we're live on the ground and marjorie taylor greene just meeting with the house speaker mike johnson for two hours. same guy. she's threatening out. let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett out front tonight. the breaking news trump threatened with jail time. the judge and the hush money trial today directly telling former president trump that he will go to jail if he violates his gag order. again, that would be the 11th time and just moments ago, the former president responded to watch every word i tend to people. yes, big question as simple question. i'd like to give it, but i can talk about it so this judges give me a gig order and
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so you'll go to jail if you violate well, just to state the obvious, but it's worth doing it here. >> it has never happened before in american history that a foreign president has gone to jail trump would make that history. if he is unable to stop attacking witnesses. judge juan merchan telling trump today, than it appears that the $1,000 fines are not serving is a deterrent and therefore, going forward, i'm reading the quote from the judge. this court will have to consider a jail sanction if recommended. mr. trump, it's important to understand that the last thing i want to do is put you in jail. you were the foreign president of the united states and possibly the next president as well and trump is already threatening that he will divide the judge again. >> bradley, you know what is much more than jail study i'll do that sacrifice any day. >> well, the spokesman for the new york city department of
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correction tells the daily beast that the department is ready should trump make what he is calling a sacrifice. they say, quote, the department would find appropriate housing for him if he winds up in our custody. >> well, there's a use of a word housing and in a moment, i'm going to speak to new york city's former corrections commissioner about where trump will likely end up if he goes to jail, what it will look like, what the experience would be. >> is it all comes in the context today after this was said by juan merchan, that the court prosecution today laid out the trump payments to michael cohen, which are at the center of this case. now the jury actually even saw the check now, these checks and you see a signature on them, we're mostly written from trump's bank account when he was president and this was the money that was allegedly used to repay cohen for the $130,000 hush money payments. paulo read is out front live outside the new york city courthouse to begin our coverage. and paula, you were there inside the courthouse today for all all of it, watching this crucial
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testimony how was the jury reacting to these witnesses the jury was the first thing i look for when i got in that courtroom, erin. >> and what struck me immediately, a bound jury is how perfectly they represented manhattan. i think you could stop any subway car in the borough. first, 18 people who get off boom, that's exactly what this jury looks like. 12 jurors and the sixth alternate. and they were all so attentive today. look at times this testimony was pretty dry. i've covered a lot of trials at times. it was just deadly boring. but of course, it's critical today the case. and so every time i looked over at the jury, no matter how many times these witnesses had to go through the same thing again and again just with different dates. >> those jurors, aaron they were all looking at their screens. >> they were paying attention document by document. and as we know, that's how prosecutors are going to make or break their case with this kind of evidence, right? >> i mean, it is a document's case, but so important that they're paying such close attention looking at those screens as you say, to see the
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details, the minutiae on the checks. >> so what did you hear from the witnesses today? >> paula? >> so geoff mcconney, significant because this is the first time we've heard from someone who worked in sayyed the trump organization, and now he was able to talk about a common number station he had with a former trump organization, cfl, alan yslow burke, who's of course, now in jail for his second perjury conviction. but mcconney a testified to a conversation and he had with alan weisberg supported by documents about how they were going to reimburse michael cohen for this $130,000. >> they were going to increase that to offset taxes. >> he also testified though that michael cohen had been complaining about his bonus so that all got baked in and then it came up with this plan to divide this over multiple $35,000 checks. so this is the first time that we've heard about how this plan was hatched to reimburse michael cohen. the problem is, erin, that mcconney testified that he was never directed by a trump to do any of this. in fact, he never
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talked to trump in the year 2017, which is when these documents were allegedly falsified. and he also testified that trump was incredibly involved in everything related to the trunk organization until 2017. and again, that's a problem for the prosecutors because he said once trump went to the white house, things work chaotic, no surprise, considering we're dealing with chomping. so there were chaotic and even things like getting check sayyed, do they completely changed their procedure? now there was another official, doug tarasoff from the accounting department. she also took the stand, but that was mostly procedural. they were just helping her get in checks for hours and hours and that's when i started looking at the jury be like, are they store on check 12? are they still following along and they were so attentive, clearly taking their historic task, but seriously. all right. thank you very much, paula. all right. so ryan goodman here with me now. so ryan, just to go through all of this here, there was what she's talking with the two witnesses and i know one of them you think was specifically crucial to the case today, and it came down to 200 notes yeah,
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they're really incredible documents that mr. mcconney testifies about. so the first document i would even say that they're close to being smoking guns that that's significant. the first document is alan weisberg, the cfo at the time in his own handwriting contemporaneously recording the internal payments. so remember that the entire argument, by the prosecutors that this was a cover-up. they recorded it publicly and in their business records as legal fees. but this is the handwritten notes that shows its nothing about legal fees. in fact, the handwritten notes say this is too gross him up. you do not gross up legal fees? the exact amount is the uh, hundred and 30,000 times two to cover for taxes plus $50,000 for online polling company. and it's not that ellen, why so berg wrote this on a scratch piece of paper, the paper that this is all on is a bank record of michael cohen's from the essential consultants care of michael cohen on october 27th, shows the wire transfer to who? stormy daniels lawyer. so he's actually doing the handwritten
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notes on the hush money payments all hush money payments extraordinary. and then the second document is mcconney is handwritten notes. as the controller of the company and his handwritten notes say as well that this is a gross up of 242 times the amount for taxes. you don't do that for legal fees. and he also says that the munguia will come from monthly payments from d, jt, and then the other witness we hear from today is asked the question, who had the signing authority for this dj t account in 2016 and 17? and her answer is only mr. trump, right? >> right. now, of course course as we know, these crucial, but we don't yet know trumps involvement himself. this is why so organ and mcconney themselves. >> what about the other development today on the gag order? it was interesting. juan merchan, i was in the room when he had ruled on the $9,000 fine. right. and then today coming in really again, i do not want to send you to jail certainly for misdemeanor and the way that the judge is paving in this courtroom, that that makes sense to me, isn't look like he's a person who wants to do this at all. yet he
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said it. >> do you think it really will happen if trump violates the order again? >> i think so the judge has basically said i have no other choice left. and in his written order, he says the same thing. he said look, $1,000 fines are not deterring this individual. so i'm basically left with no option and that's what he's saying directly to president trump as well. you're leaving me with no option. i have no choice. i have to protect the administration of justice. and then in the written order as well, he says if warranted and appropriate the next violation will result in incarceration. so there's a little variation could be an hour a day. you know, there's there's a wide remit, right? >> yes absolutely. i think he might just be sending him a segall say you need to spend a couple hours in incarcerated situation so that it gives you a sense of what this is all about. >> the seriousness of it. all right. ryan goodman thank you very much.& out front now, to people who work worked extremely closely with donald trump over many years, amro, some ana gold newman, the former senior advisor to then president trump, also a contestant on season one of the
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apprentice, the author of unhinged an insider's account of the trump white house. and also with me this hour, jack o'donnel, the former president and chief operating creating officer of trump plaza hotel and casino, which was the focus of his book trumped jack. and of course i know it's just wonderful to have you back again. so the judge finding donald trump $1,000 again for violating the gag order now threatening jail time if trump violates it, again, jack, just the very basics of it. you heard trump outside the courthouse he's angry about the situation that's clear, almost a petulant about it we'll be able to maintain control and not violated again, jack well, i don't i don't think you will be able to maintain control as you know, it's the 2:00 in the morning grants that they usually get him in trouble. he might be able to do that at the core the bigger question is really purposely violate the order. >> and i think that there's a very good chance that he will just the test the limits because that is part of
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trump's dna, so to speak. >> i think he has a piece inside of him that he wants to dare this man to put him in in jail. >> and i know amro, so this is something you've talked about. you think he actually does want the judge sent him behind bars? yes. to john's point, he's already made the strategic calculation of what being incarcerated or a sentence even for a short time would do to his base, it will galvanize his base and it will feed in so this message and he's been saying that they tried to attack him and gag them and now they have incarcerated me. they've locked me up because of my speaking the truth. and this is what donald trump is doing. and in fact, i believe that he's pushing the judge to lock them up so that he can be the victim would play into that. so now, jack, in terms of testimony today jeffrey mcconney, the former trump or controller, said that it would be quote, putting it mildly to say the trump org was in a period of flux and chaos after trump became president. that the way the company did
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business had to change drastically because trump was less involved, right? and he was said he didn't even talk to trump once and that whole year, even as he's the one writing handwritten notes about these reimbursements to michael cohen. do you buy any of that i don't at all. >> aaron five think that you have you have an individual like voiceover. first who is in charge of the finance and accounting in this organization and he's been doing it a very specific way. 40 years or however many years and he's been they aren't going to suddenly just change the way they do accounting and throw it into chaos with the same man running the financing of the organization. >> it's just a big stretch for me to believe and quite frankly, i think there's always been the question, how much control do trump really? >> believer languish when he became president? i think that's an issue as well. >> and that's now the heart of all this, mro says i said to jack, do by anybody, you are also shaking your head absolutely not. >> i do not believe that he
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wholeheartedly handed over the control of the organization to essentially he didn't trust them to make good sound business decisions. so it was all aruba you saw but out over years, behind the scenes, how we would treat them or how he perceived them. and he doesn't tolerate chaos. so even though this gentleman is saying, oh, there was chaos, donna has no tolerance when it comes to his money or his business so jack trump has not looked happy in court it was very serious it's when i was there. i mean, he was he was clearly paying attention, but here's just a few images of him today. it's wearing on him. it's certainly looks that way, but you say jack that you recognize looks like this from trump. so what do they tell you? >> wow listen to trump is an angry personality. i mean, some would suggests that even bipolar in a way, because you can be one way, one second and then suddenly explode i think he looks like a man. that's on the verge of exploding most of the time. of course, until it
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goes, of course, until the fall but but because this is a bad look, aaron and he knows that and this is a sign of weakness in his mind will be sitting in this room completely out of control. there's 12 people that are in control. his destiny, and he's got to judge admonishing him for his behavior he's he's a caged a cage leyen right now and i'm roast that's also the time of it, right? i mean, we're now entering yet another week and there's weeks to come, right the prosecution said at least two more from baer sayyed than the defense. i mean, he could be sitting there for another month it's one thing to walk in for a day or two. it's another 2d day after day after day, even with the breaks when he goes to the campaign trail and you know him, how can he manage something like that where you have to get yourself in that groove to deal with that for so long. >> well, that's just the thing he can't manage it and the look that he was giving, the images, it there's me a bit because that's the look before donald trump does something
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totally and completely reckless so that's what you see that i looked at that like i'm thinking he is plotting some type of way to get back at the judge to do something big over the weekend to distract from the fact that he is totally out of control. >> and not able to in any way shape his feet future next quarter. so i want to play a little bit more of what he said when he left court tonight, which is the only time we hear from me, usually walks by all the cameras and he was talking about how long this will go. he was talking about the gag order here government just said that they want you to that means they want to give me drill three weeks now they would realize that this to case did have a case. every legal scholar says they or every case. this is just a political witch it's election interfering this is really truly election interference, and it's a disgrace. >> just to be clear, those things are compliant with the gag order. the gag order is
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about talking about witnesses or juror. so for any confusion, there, but jack knowing him for years as you do and many years in the middle of his career how much of an impact is this trial having on him based on what you see there well, i think it's i think it's having a huge impact on him, but the rhetoric that you just heard, their urine is just classic donald trump it's just denying the fact but you know, the look, he knows that there's consequences here really for the first time in his life where he has a judge that's going to hold him accountable. >> the jury is going to hold him accountable for his behavior. and he also knows that there's gonna be some pretty sleazy testimony in the next couple of weeks. >> and so he's he's getting nervous and i think you're i think you can see that& as comments i'm laura. so would you agree and also in terms of
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the support that he would like to have in that courtroom, family, eric spent in twice. that's it. is that gonna be it so it's gonna be i mean, don may come because he may be compelled to, but his dad, but ivanka will be but know that matter the most. those are not going maloney right? >> yeah. >> they will be nowhere near that courtroom. i think it has been very strategic about curating her image post january the sixth. and so going by fortran would dismantle what she's built, in the last couple of years. but certainly don't expect to see if melania anywhere near this trial, that would certainly be seismic, but there's no evidence. this is no no evidence of indicating any such thing. all right. i'm rosa, thank you so much, jack. thank you. glad to see both of you next. a bed, a chair, and a desk that maybe yet maybe all that trump gaetz be ends up at new york's infamous rikers island. >> cities, former corrections and probation commissioner is next plus breaking news right now, explosions rocking
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775, 383882, or visit home served.com, how we'd really have it with just i see you, martin. sunday's at night on cnn tonight. >> riker's the infamous new york prison is where one former corrections officials says trump will go if he defies his gag order. again, and the judge goes through with his threat of putting trump in jail. former new york city corrections and probation commissioner martin
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horn is out front and cousteau, i really appreciate your time. so you know, this system and all the ins and out of it better than anyone. and so let me just show everyone a map of rikers island. and on this we have pinpointed the specific building, the west building so this appears to be the exterior of the building that we're going to show. and i know that you think this may be the specific facility on rikers where trump could end up if the judge decides to put him in jail. tell me about it. >> well, first of all, it's informed speculation on my part, but i do think that it is well suited to this purpose. it was built in the 19 as the contagious disease unit. it's series of free-standing building things with several cells inside each one the cells are all air condition and completely self-contained. so inside each cell there's a
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shower, there's a commode and wash basin. and in addition, there's an empty room in front of each cell where the person is cited can be observed for safekeeping and well-being. and because each unit is self-contained, you could put one person in that building and let the secret service have the rest of the building to put in whatever communications equipment and so on that they needed or have as many agents present as they needed. >> i mean, it's still incredible to just even be having this conversation. so you're talking about a toilet, a sink. i mean, is there they're bad in there is there what else is in the actual cell? >> well, that's it. there's there's a bell a bed. there's a commode and sync combination, stainless steel. there's a shower in the cell. there's a
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writing surface, a little table, and a stool to sit on. a chair with the back and that's it and you're alone in there, right? >> i mean, he's not it wouldn't be with obviously other prisoners just to be clear or even with his own secret service or anything, right. i mean, if the point is this is where you're going in violation of the gag, would he be in there alone? >> well, again, it depends somewhat on what the judge does. if the judge orders him confined for four hours or six hours, they mail you well, keep him in a cell at the courthouse but if the judge directs that he be held overnight, i would think they would have to take him to a jail. none of the holding cells in the courthouse have accommodations for overnight stays, and presumably he would be alone for several reasons. needless to say, the department of correction and the secret service would have to work out but some sort of an arrangement for these armed
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agents to be present to safe guard him therefore, he would have to be kept apart from other prisoners. you wouldn't want them being proximate. and obviously for his own safety and well-being, you don't want some prison sinner deciding that he's going to make himself famous by, so to speak, taking the president off the count for sure. what about also the what he would eat or something like that in any time? >> i mean, does he get to does he have prison food or does he get to have brought in whatever he once well, all i can speak to is what we have done previously with individuals who have been confined for contempt & those individuals have received the regular? >> regimen of food that the other prisoners and the facility receive. now, if he comes in and he has some
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special dietary requirement due to a medical condition or some religious observance that would be addressed but other than that, i can't imagine that there would be a good reason to give him a special diet all right. >> well, thank you so much, commissioner martin horn. i really appreciate your time. >> quite welcome all right. >> next, we have breaking news in southern gaza, new explosions tonight. israel says a ceasefire deal, but hamas agreed to is just nowhere close to happening. and the assault seems to have been is now in full force. we're live on the ground next, plus new numbers tonight on who is supporting rfk jr. just trump need to worry now more than byd or trump hush money trial gavel to gavel coverage. >> this is unprecedented to have a candidate for the white house as a criminal defendant. we've never been here. >> the weight only cnn can
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>> doctors preferred better science, better results. >> i, hanako montgomery and tokyo and this is cnn breaking. news, israeli forces are just hours away from taking over the palestinian side of the rafah crossing. this is according to longtime, is rarely reported. >> barack ravid, palestinian news outlets reporting that israeli forces are shelling the area from the air and with artillery fire tanks are also moving in this of, course is where so many civilians have sought refuge during this terrifying and horrible conflict in gaza. they'd gone two raffa, this comes even as hamas had agreed to a ceasefire proposal earlier today. but the israeli prime minister's office responded saying, quote, even though hamas is proposal is far from israel's necessary requirements israel we'll send a working level delegation to the mediators. but meantime, obviously this assault is launching regardless, jeremie dimen is with me. he is in jerusalem tonight.
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>> so jeremie, just to get a sense of, while these back-and-forth are happening, there appears to be significant movement in raffa. >> what is happening is best you understand it right now. >> yes. certainly. i mean, we are seeing very dramatic video of explosions lighting up the night sky in raffa, this appears to be more than just the airstrikes that we have watched over the course of the last seven months of this war, including in rafat but instead it appears that the israeli military, according to our analysts, barack ravid, that they are moving into a rafat with ground forces in order to take over that rafat border crossing, which happens to be along the egypt to gaza border, known here critically as the philadelphia route, which is a very strategic root of between egypt and gaza. where are these military believes a lot of hamas smuggling operations also take place. it's not clear exactly the scope of this operation at this point. but it
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is notable of course that it comes less than 24 hours after the israeli military ordered tens of thousands of palestinian civilians living in eastern raffa about 100,000 of them to begin evacuating that area. and now less than 24 hours later, it appears that not only is the israeli military carrying out strikes in eastern raffa, but also apparently moving in ground forces including a tank. so not clear what the spells out for the future of a major ground offensive in raffa. but at least for now, it appears that that operation has begin to a certain level. >> all right the issue here, of course though, is the civilians, as we talked about jeremie, we're no, that is raffa has been where civilians were told to go for safety from the very beginning of this war. >> and for months, the united states has warned israel against attacking on raffa because of civilian casualties and yet the leaflets we see today on video being dropped in eastern raffa, ordering civilians to flee north north,
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which of course who is said is in the midst of a mass fanon such that there's even anything left in the north of gaza. a deep irony in that, what are you hearing on the ground about evacuation efforts for civilians? >> well, it appears that thousands of civilians did indeed begin to heat those warnings earlier today, although it was also causing quite a widespread sense of panic throughout raffa, not only in the areas where they are being told to evacuate and when the israeli military says go north, they aren't telling them to go all the way to northern gaza, but north of raffa two, the ulna washy area where they've set up a humanitarian zone as well as an expanded humanitarian zone as they call it, in western han eunice where they say they've in tens shelter, food, medicine, but humanitarian aid official say that the conditions there simply aren't enough to accommodate the number of people in raffa, particularly if the panics spreads throughout the city in terms of the tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people who could very soon begin to flood there. and i
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anticipate that as these strikes and this is ground operation is beginning to happen this evening tomorrow, you will see an even larger movement of people. think north. and of course, the contrast of all this is the fact that earlier this evening we were seeing images of gaza and celebrating as this news of hamas accepting a ceasefire proposal as they have termed it began to spread. people began celebrating, but of course now we have learned that this proposal that hamas accepted is not the same one that israel helped craft with egypt. israel still saying that it doesn't meet their core demands they are sending a delegation, but it is clear that there is still a lot of ground to be made up between these two sides and they continue to move on rough. >> all right. thank you very much. a jeremie. go now to retired army major general james spider mark. so general marx, israel pushing head with its assault on raffa at this point, what is the military objective of an operation like this well, first of all, israel i think has from the outset
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indicated that raffa is legitimate target for them and there was certain inevitability to this operation. >> the objective clearly is for israel, for the hi, do you have forces to continue the mission to go after two things, infrastructure, as well as hamas leadership and hamas fighters now bear in mind over this. what i would say, period, this interregnum of a couple of weeks israel has been doing significant intelligence collection in terms of where are those pieces of infrastructure? they need to go after and where are the fighters as well but also what they've been doing is a bin trying to assess what it is in terms of the best routes in and where you want to try to isolate the fight. you just don't go rushing into raffa and then not have some type of controlled exit clearly, the exit into egypt, egypt has not going to allow that so the movement north, but israel is primarily concerned about so that's what's going to take
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place. i would tell you that most of the hamas fighters as well over this period have been able to do some additional preparation as well as in many cases, i would suspect escaping from the kill zone so general, what do you read into this in the context of the most important ally to israel and certainly in a world where it has become increasingly isolated, it's most important ally the united states has repeatedly please said, the president is repeatedly said you don't go into raffa unless there is a true humanitarian process& that that is completely built up. >> obviously, eight organizations are saying very clearly that it isn't. so what do you make of the fact that prime minister netanyahu was going ahead and doing this in spite, a very clear us admonitions not to yeah. >> i don't want to be kroos matter of netanyahu play a little bit of chicken. he realizes that the job is not completed until rafah is cleared. and i think many would agree that that has to take
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place. let's be frank, hamas ideology. it is going to continue to grow. you've got to be able to kill leadership as it exists right now. >> but hamas will in many cases, what we would expect to see it again in some form, you want to buy yourself some time so. >> netanyahu was essentially he telling president biden, look, i got it, but i have to complete this job and he's as i said, he's playing chicken. he's going to see whether this administration is going to stop providing the support, both diplomatically, that type of top cover as well as the military support. >> all right. just whether they will really stop it, whether they'll pull the plug, stop something, we'll see it's a crucial task. thank you very much. general marks. appreciate your time. >> thank you very next breaking news, marjorie taylor, brain just spending roughly two hours with the house speaker that she's threatening to oust. will she do it? >> well, here what she's saying right now and trump caught on tape secret recordings are now at the center of several of trump's cases so exactly what
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information lauren fox is out front on capitol hill and lauren green is obviously keeping everyone guessing, which is just what she wants. that's how she prefers it is. does she have any support within her own party for this sort of okay. two hours of this today and then going in and doing it again tomorrow yeah. >> erin, i actually just caught up with marjorie taylor greene outside of the house as they were leaving their vote series tonight. and she said she's not saying anything about her plans until after she has yet another meeting with speaker mike johnson tomorrow at 12:30. now, we don't know so how long that meeting will go, but like you mentioned, today's meeting spanning two hours as they continue their discussions, she's not laying out precisely what she wants from the speaker. she's not saying what they are trying to negotiate instead, just saying that talks are continuing. i'd also talk to thomas nasi, who was in that meeting, someone else who is supportive hey, marjorie taylor greens effort to try to vacate
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the speakership. he said that he's optimistic. he thinks that johnson is working in good faith with them, but that he did not want to lay out the details of their conversations because he said it may not even happen at this point. >> so those are some items to keep an eye on. >> the other thing to keep a close eye on is the fact that republicans are losing patients. erin several of them that we have talked to believe that marjorie taylor greene is using this as an opportunity to fund raise as an opportunity to get followers, as an opportunity to continue to build her own brand at a moment when they argue they should be united because there's a presidential election coming right around the corner let's say this is not productive republicans. >> if you're going to wear that jersey, you gotta be on the team. >> i just don't think that there's anything to be gained from continuing down this motion of vacate road. i think this political theater is lazy and it's not governing and so people are fundraising off it and having been through this before, aaron back in october,
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wind speaker kevin mccarthy was ousted. >> i actually talked to one of the members who voted back then, representative tim bird tonight and he said the difference between now and then is the fact that back then despite the fact that took them three weeks to get a speaker, they did get a republican speaker. he said right now, there's really no guarantee because the margin is so narrow given the fact that this could drag on for weeks and weeks, there's no heir apparent, there's no one waiting in the wings. he said it's just not the right time and people are getting tired of waiting for marjorie taylor greene to make up her mind aaron dev will say now, yeah, again, wait till tomorrow, 12 30 all right. lauren fox. thank you so much lauren just caught up with marjorie taylor greene out front. now is the democratic congressman rhoad of california. so congressman khanna, you heard lauren's reporting and marchal green. obviously, it's been threatening to our speaker johnson four weeks still. she is official not acted on it. do you think she ever will erdan when i think of her, i'm reminded a foster as leinz full
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of sound and fury signifying nothing. everyone knows that johnson is going to keep the speakership. this is just a total drama distraction speaker johnson, who i disagree with, did the right thing by putting up the ukraine bill, the taiwan unveil the israel bill for a vote. and he's gonna have overwhelming support from the democratic caucus to table any motion that margin yellow-green puts forward. >> all right, so you talk about an overwhelming support from a democratic congress. so democratic congressman jim mcgovern was talking to lauren fox earlier. he told her he would vote to save johnson, but then he said he's quote, not a cheap date. and democrats need something in return so to you, congressman kano, what is that something i'll leave the details for the leadership. >> i'm gonna be great if we get equal consideration on some of our bills, especially if they're bipartisan bills and have over two-thirds of the house i think it would be good to have some equal consideration on committees and i would leave to the details of
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a mcgovern and leader a leader, jeffries. but what i will say is that there are a lot of people are going to vote to table the motion. >> so i want to ask you about president biden because you serve on the national advisory board for his campaign. and there's this new poll from abc's& ipsos. there was so much interesting detail on this, but it shows obviously a tight race between biden and foreign president trump. no clear leader, but it also shows the supporters of robert f. kennedy jr. tend to be republican at this moment. and right now, they support trump by 13 points over biden in a two-way race so i guess i'm curious, congressman, this isn't the way it looked a few months ago, so are you confident at this point that kennedy is a bigger threat to trump and biden or not i don't know. >> i mean, i think it's all over the place and candor, it depends on state to state and in some places, you may be taking more from prompt and others from president biden. and what i do know is that this
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is a binary race that either president biden will be re-elected or we're going to have to deal with donald trump. and i think anyone who cares about climate, who cares about uh, getting money out of politics and a whole host of other issues should support president biden. >> so today you tweeted in terms of your political support that the united states needs bernie sanders in washington and you did that because sanders congressman of course, is announced he was running for reelection so in that context, and this is, this is the this is the crucial question for your party in this election right now, especially with younger voters, sanders recently talked about biden and the war in gaza protests. they're broken out on college campuses. and here is what senator sanders said. >> this may be biden's vietnam do you agree with him well here's what i would tab and there are obviously differences between this and vietnam. there was the draft in vietnam almost
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50,000 americans died in vietnam. it was the number one issue in the election according to polling. but i think what senator sanders was saying is that for young people, this is a defining issue like the anti vietnam war protests it's more like the anti-apartheid protests were like the entire iraq war protests were. and that we need to really listen to them and bring this war to an end. or we're hurting our standing with many young people around the country. >> all right, congressman con i appreciate your time and thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next secret recordings of trump are now front and center in several cases, including this one, and they could be what spells serious trouble for the former president a special report next welcome to the world, of spycraft garage glued to the action let's get down. let's get one. >> are you concealing you will
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>> my next goal as credit for doing me a time.com. >> i'm on roger and capitol hill. >> this is sienna tonight, caught on tape, secret recordings of former president trump being used to build criminal cases against him. and right now is words with michael cohen are front and center as a key piece of evidence and is hush money trial it's not the only damning damaged tape of the former president being used against him in a criminal trial. jason carroll is out front when you were started, they left to do it. you can do anything, whatever you want, grabbing by the it's clear in the court of public opinion, donald trump bragging about being able to sexually violate women was not enough to derail
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his campaign when the access hollywood tape leaked in october 2016. >> but courtrooms are different. now questions over whether trump's others secretly recorded conversations could hurt him with jurors, i need to open up a company for the transfer of all the info regarding our friend david jurors in the hush money trial hearing, audio of a call in 2016 between trump and his then lawyer, michael cohen. and i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be what paton yourself can't hold on and on cohen secretly recorded the call. >> prosecutors argue it shows trumps knowledge of how cohen with the help of former trump organization chief financial officer allen yslow berg, set up a $150,000 hush money payments to former playmate karen mcdougal the woman who alleges she had an affair with trump, which he denies that
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call is just one of the potentially damaging recordings connected to the former president and his legal entanglements prosecutors pursuing separate cases against the former president in georgia and florida also have recordings of trump. >> they plan to use against him except it is highly secretive. >> special counsel, jack smith has a 2021 recording of trump that's a key piece of evidence in the mar logo documents case on it, trump acknowledges he kept classified documents related to a potential attack on iran. >> president i can update that now. i can't help, but this is isn't that interesting trump later offered various explanations for having the documents. i have every right to have those boxes. this is purely a presidential records act. this is not a criminal thing. if you're the president of the united states, you can declassify just by saying it's
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declassified, even by thinking about it, i declassified everything. >> trump's own words also at the center of the election subversion case, he's facing in georgia, in my opinion, has never late. so that's the story. house. i look, we need only 11,000 votes. >> that's audio from trump on a phone call january 2, 2021 so pressuring georgia secretary of state to find enough votes needed to overturn his loss. >> when you have a defendant who says what they did, what do you need emails and text messages than anything else four, that's the critical evidence. but like anything else, it can be spun so as you laid out trump himself is giving prosecutors that gift, right? yeah. give me the gift of all this these tapes, but you know, tapes alone don't do it as even many times, michael cohen has said in conversations to us, right? right. and not when it comes to the former present because when you think about this, this is a man and who has made in the past any