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your cash or 5% apy joined today and get your birth 30 days free morton lieberman at the pentagon. and this cnn cnn breaking news and the breaking news this hour, this is the scene in tel aviv, israel. >> this evening a large crowd of israelis with hostage
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families outside israel's security headquarters. the protesters are demanding that the government because of accept the ceasefire deal that's been proposed by the government of egypt and khader that has already been accepted by hamas. just in on that front. we're learning the deal on on the table is not the same one that the israeli mediators help craft in recent weeks, cia director william burns is in the region. a source tells cnn that burns has been deeply involved in negotiations. we're going to get the latest on details coming in by the minute plus republican congressman back gates of florida will be here. i'm going to ask him about the tactic. he pushed for for the motion to vacate now being used by congresswoman margin kayla green as she threatens to push speaker mike johnson out of his leadership role, leading this our donald trump's day starting with the judge holding in contempt of court in the new york hush money cover up case, then to trump organization current employees on the stand or i'm sorry, one is a former, the other is still an employee there as prosecutors quite
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literally laid out the receipts detailing how hush money payments that they're alleging worked. we're going to start this hour with cnns. paulo read, who spent the afternoon inside the courtroom, hala what was the scene inside the courtroom today? >> really struck me, jagan covered the trump white house, so i've been in the same room as the former president is advisors before. >> my eyes immediately went to the jury. >> this is the first time i've had the chance to see these folks that 12 jurors, the six alternates what are the chance to decide this historic case and what struck me immediately is that i think you could stop any subway car in liberal of manhattan, take the first 18 people who get off and it looked like this jury, they really do appear to represent a cross-section of folks here in manhattan and i was also really struck by how closely they were paying attention to the testimony now, mind you, the testimony from the accounting department this afternoon, it was at times jagan was dead lee boring. they're just having this trump organization official help them enter in
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checks are repeatedly again and again, i describing what's in certain boxes, but i kept looking at the jury and each of them, even if they were struggling a little bit, they were still focused on the task at hand. looking at the documents that were being introduced. so they're clearly taking this seriously. the other observation i have is that trump's lead attorney todd blanche, clearly under scrutiny from the boss, the onetime trumps really engage this afternoon is when talking i blanch did a cross-examinatio n trump completely turned his body at his eyes, were locked on his lead. attorney, todd blanche is not done many cross-examination so far in this case, and we know trump likes to show he likes a spectacle, he likes his lawyers to make a scene todd blanche, very experienced, very good defense attorney. that doesn't tend to be his mo so far. and you could tell trump was watching him very, very closely now on talking to my sources, i'm told that they're fine. of course, it's a stressful situation jake, we know there's always tension on the trump legal team, but it was clear at trump was watching him very closely today.
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>> so prosecutors said today that they need about two more weeks starting tomorrow to present their all their case mr. trump express surprised at that. did that surprise you yes. >> he expressed surprise by going like this. he was clearly not happy about that it doesn't surprise me because we know it talking two sources. we know this case well, we know they still need to call michael cohen. we know that is one single witness that could take up to an entire week. >> there's also short weeks. >> they're only three days. most of them today's our first and possibly are only four day week. they also have to call stormy daniel's. they're going to recall at least another official from the district attorney's office to get some evidence in. so not that estimate was not terribly surprising to me. unclear why it was surprising to the defendant all right. >> paulo, read stick around. i want to bring in the former prosecutor from the manhattan district attorney's office, jeremie salaam. jeremie. today, we heard testimony from jeffrey
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mcconney. walk the jury through documents outlining payments that trump made to cohen in 2017. but mcconney failed to provide the crucial link between the crime and trump's knowledge of it, or he was he was unable to say that trumps specifically ordered any falsification of documents. how big a problem is that to the prosecution, do you think? >> i think it's a problem, but the problem that can be surmounted because we heard out of the gate and david pecker how there was no communication that was done by email and that was it's corroborated by his assistant at the time wrote a graph, but more important than that, you have other pieces of foundation 11 that are going to be very helpful. you have an email that don and eric proof of this. you have conversation or communication that legal did not approve of these retainers or pardon me, these invoices. it was just sent over and it's really p so who is bending, benefiting from believed that michael cohen had the authority to approve of these payments.
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someone had to approve the payments within trump or alternatively trump personally because they came from his bank accounts. so there's a common sense component here and foundational from each of these evidences, pardon me, each of these witnesses that build this this of steam locomotive going forward, that was that proof beyond a reasonable doubt. that's yet to be seen, but the foundation is certainly there i'm paula, we're still waiting for really several big witnesses to take the stand. >> we had hope hicks friday, but the big ones really are michael cohen and stormy daniel's. what should prosecutors strategy be here when deciding when to put either of these witnesses on the stand. do you think we expect them, michael cohen would probably go that three-quarters of the way through this case. he is problematic for many reasons, not only his previous convictions for line, but also the fact that he has made a career for several years of attacking the defendant. and this is going to be a challenging witness for the prosecutors. it is going to be a lengthy and perhaps the devastating cross-examination.
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you don't want to injure case on that. you got to have someone after him and it's unclear. where stormy daniels will fit in all of this. but remember, stormy daniels cannot speak directly to the he alleged criminal behavior here, which is falsifying business records and at this point, it's date 13, while jeremy argues that there will be additional evidence, it's dave, 13 where is it at this point? it does not appear that prosecutors have a presented any direct link between the defendant& the falsified business records jeremie found trumping comment. >> go ahead, say it but i just want to comment on that. let's look at this a little bit differently sort of more of a criminal enterprise. and i'm not saying this is in fact a criminal enterprise or drug dealing scheme or something more affordable. don't like that. >> there's very often enough fingers to point directly at the key figure, the central figure. >> you'd have to look at other pieces of evidence that build up to that person. sometimes circumstantial, sometimes it's direct and that often again, i use the term common sense, is that proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not necessarily, but the
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fact that there's no direct fingers actually putting his hands on these checks and putting his hands on the conversation. well, it makes sense. he wants to have clean hands so i'm not overly concerned because you can have a circumstantially and i think that evidence is building up now whether again, it's a felony, that's a different animal, because if you're stuck with just a misdemeanor, that's an absolute loss. >> so a judge found tramping contempt for judge merchan for tenth time let me violated the gag order. the judge is threatening trump with actual jail time if he can use to violate it, listen to mr. trump outside the courthouse a few minutes ago, paula then you have the other thing that maybe is even worse again where i can basically i have to watch every word i dead yes. vague question. a simple question. i'd like to give it, but i can talk about it because his judges give me a gag order and said you'll go to jail if you violated and frankly, you know what are constitution is much
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more important than jail, studying and close i'll do that sacrifice so i wonder, paulo, what you think about donald trump sounding is though he is willing to go to jail in his view. >> so he could continue to exercise his first amendment rights of free speech is that an actual possibility the judge made it clear earlier this morning that he would contemplate jail if trump, again violates his gag order i think we need to take a closer look at what the judge decided he was weighing four different alleged violations of the gag order and only found at trump in criminal contempt for one of them because in that violation, he talked about the jury and the selection of the jiri. >> i want to note that there were two other alleged violations that attack michael cohen and the judge specifically said that he could not find beyond a reasonable doubt that those responses were not political speech. there's also an ambiguous comment that trump made about david pecker and the judge said, look, i get
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that. you can interpret the sort of mafioso way, what he's trying to say, if he says so he's he's been saying nice things, but he did not find them in violation for those three. and this is the first time that trump's lawyers have been successful in this defense of political speech what he says should be protected. so, yeah, it's not good when you're found a criminal contempt are threatened with jail. but if you really look at a nuanced view of what the judge decided today. one of the trunk defense arguments that are making for a long time and losing finally prevailed against michael carolyn. >> interesting, thanks to both of you really appreciate a breaking news on another front abroad images from tel aviv where it is after midnight. you see the crowds they're those protesters or demand sending that the israeli government and that's on yahoo government except the proposed ceasefire and hostage deal. but in just the last now our new questions about the proposal hamas i agreed to earlier, one offered by egypt and khader sources say that this is not what israel has been working on crafting in recent weeks, we're going to
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just moments ago of protesters in israel. >> they're demanding that the netanyahu government agree to a ceasefire in hostage. do while just into cnn, hamas set it is not going to back down from its demands in the ceasefire proposal. it agreed two sources are telling cnn that hamas agreed to a different proposal today then the one that israel has been helping to craft with mediators from other countries which includes a permanent n hostilities. that's the one that hamas agreed to. permanent into hostilities is apparently a red line for israeli prime minister netanyahu, who does not want to agree to a permanent end to hostilities. cnn's jeremy diamond is falling when all of this from jerusalem scene, mj lee is at the white house, jeremie, israel's that they're going to send a delegation to the peace talks, despite the differences that remain with this deal, does that signal a jeremie at least some willingness to
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negotiate on israel's part yeah that's right, jake the israeli prime minister's office has saying tonight that this latest proposal by hamas is far from reaching israel's necessary requirements, but they are committing at the same time to sending a delegation to either doha, qatar, or to cairo, egypt to person sue negotiations with the mediators involved. >> but what is also clear is that the statement from hamas earlier this evening that suggested that it had agreed to a new to this proposal that puzzle is not the same one that israel had weighed in on just a little bit over a week ago, the egyptian framework that israel had helped craft instead, a senior israeli, an a senior american official are telling me and my colleague, alex marquardt that hamas actually agreed to a different proposal, one that diverges from that original digital egyptian framework in a few ways. but one key way in particular and
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that is that this latest, a framework that hamas appears to have agreed to includes a permanent end to the hostilities. that of course has been a red line for these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu, it is something that if he agreed to that and might even perhaps lead to the collapse of his government just because of the politics involved. and the right-wing elements of his coalition that do not want to see this war end. but nonetheless, this means that there is at least a pathway to pursue these negotiations with this working level delegation set to meet with the mediators in the coming days. how they will be able to close the gap is another question entirely. >> jake mj, you pressed white house national security spokesman admiral john kirby on this looming raffa invasion, which the vitamin inspiration has been a very firm on, not wanting the israelis to do until they're satisfied the biden administration is satisfied there was a way to protect civilians. tell us about that yeah. >> i mean, this issue is all the more important now that
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israel has come out and said that this framework that hamas is agreed to is far from what they are willing to accept, and they pledged that they're going to go ahead with this ra raffa operation. you know, the us simply does not want israel to go into raffa have made that repeatedly clear in recent weeks, they have said, look, there are some 1.5 million people that are in ra for right now. and it is just not possible to move all of those people well out of harm's way and makes sure that their how's that they are fed and the question that i put to john kirby in the white house press briefing is the question of a rafah operation that is limited in scope. take a listen to this exchange john, what is the president's position on a limited operation interop? >> we'd been very clear that we don't support a major grandma operational rafah operations in general that put at greater risk the more than 1 million people that are sheltering there and the question right now
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hypothetical, let's write, you know, that they are asking people in the area two vacua in the possibility of a limited rop operation is on the table. so i'm asking, does the president believe that israel you're looking to execute a limited operation into raffa while adequately protecting the lives of civilians, their president doesn't want to see operations and raffa that put at greater risk so you wouldn't support a limited operation and every gov answered the question look, he wouldn't explicitly say the words. >> the us would not support even a limited raffa operation. but i think it's pretty clear that he was saying that is the us's position and just a reminder for everyone, of course, the president himself had previously said that a major incursion into rafah would be a crossing of his red line. sorry, jeremie diamond in israel, jerusalem and mj eleia at the white house, washington, dc. >> thanks to both you. >> will the protests in israel push prime minister netanyahu to accept some form of this latest ceasefire hostage proposal. >> could a cease fire home the
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light 'em up! gentlemen, it's a beautiful... ...day to fly. easiest way to reduce sugar this is cnn. the world's news network. we're back with our worldline israeli war cabinet member, benny ganz, who also happens to be prime minister netanyahu is biggest political rival. men again says there are quotes significant gaps unquote, between israel and hamas on this latest deal agreed to by the terrorist group. but having hamas is proposal for a ceasefire and hostage release, quote, does not correspond to the dialogue that has taken place so far with the mediators, unquote. let's get right to see an international security analysts, beth center. he's
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also a former deputy director of national intelligence. beth tell us what is going on here because we have hamas agreeing to something, maybe something proposed by egypt and qatar, although i'm not sure about that. and then israel saying, wait a second, this is not the document that we've all been working worth. yeah. and the mediators and cairo. so what exactly is going on? >> we don't know so we can speculate, right? >> and we're going to find out more in the next coming days. i mean, i think it's really good as part of that gantt statement, is that they're going to send some mediators to go to egypt and engage with the negotiators to see what is going on here. but what i suspect is going on is a little bit of several things. i mean, i think that hamas is definitely seeing an opportunity here to turn themselves from being the bad guys for rejecting the proposal into the good guys for accepting the proposal. and oh, it's israel that's not. and putting israel in a position where they really do need to move forward with this rafat operator mission in part,
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because they see the military force as being the only leverage that they have against hamas that has tunnels and hostages and time on their side. >> yeah. we're seeing this massive outpouring in israel of protests against the netanyahu government mean they seem mainly focused on the fact that in the view of hostage families and thousands of other israelis, netanyahu has not prioritized getting the hostages home this is almost like its own political party in israel and for people who aren't familiar with with domestic politics in israel parties do arise quickly, right? >> right. and fall in labor, right do you think this is going to have any sway at all? >> i think it is having sway. i mean, i think netanyahu's the prime person here that's under pressure from all sides. right? i think that he's the one he's got his right-wing saying that they're going to bring down
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the government if he agrees to a ceasefire deal. and then he's got the hostages & the united states breathing down his neck and saying, look, this is the lynchpin, this is the thing that needs to happen to get the hostages out and for the united states, all or other interests that are involved in this getting the flooding the zone to get the humanitarian aid and to diminish all of the campus protests here at home and all the pressure on him domestically and ultimately to solve the bigger middle east question. this is the linchpin and so, you know, not yahoo is under a lot of pressure. >> so you talked about humanitarian aid getting in one of the big concessions that the by administration god from that tanya, who is open, the kerem shalom crossing into israel from israel to gaza and netanyahu, told president biden today, the current shalom shalom cross, it would be reopened but hamas attacked it
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over the weekend, right? and they, and they killed for israeli soldiers that seems to have had an effect on that's on yahoo and benny gone and others in terms of any sort of ceasefire agreement because i mean, the hamas is killing is really is that the crossing that they're trying to use to get sanitarian eight. yeah. >> i mean, one press report says that the united states didn't know about the air lease. the leaflets being dropped and the order sure. to move the civilians out. that came really on the heels of so the strike came on sunday with the idf folks getting killed. and then on monday, you know, here we are so i think that there's a lot of things going on in terms of hamas look, they've got thousands of fighters left this strike on the, on kerem shalom proves that they are still a threat. and this is the little sector right around there that civilians have been requested
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to evacuate and where the operations are going to take place. so i don't see how that crossing is going to be functioning once this offensive truly gets underway oh boy. >> all do you do you think by the way, than any sort of cease fire might help quell college protests and all the unrest. i mean, it's really i mean, i've never seen unrest like this in my lifetime in the sense that columbia university just canceled graduation, canceled like the big graduation ceremony they had planned and that's going on all over the country because of protesters. it's a minority, right? and certainly everybody hates to see civilians killed and gaza, but it is, it is disrupting the lives of people in america who just are trying to live their lives, go to school, et cetera. >> yeah, these are the kids that didn't have a graduation in high school because of covid. so it's sad on so many levels. all of it, but i do think that with graduation campuses emptying out over the summer break and cease-fire
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that we would see a lot less uproar in the united states. and the ability of the united states to move forward with some strategic issues. look, this isn't over yet. we got to put on our seat belts and ride this rollercoaster for a little while. it could be that pressure military pressure does make hamas pull back a little bit on their demands. we'll have to see. >> all right. that's center. thank you so much as always. when not in the courtroom, donald trump unloads in front of republican supporters as those striving to be his running mate, take the airways, we're going to unpack some of the things said next every piece of evidence tells a story how would really happen? jesse l. martin, sunday's at nine on cnn i spent a lot of time thinking about at three in the morning. >> and you what people don't
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pain-free, absorbing pro i'm mj lee at the white house, and this cnn let's cue the music for the 2024. thank you thank you. the election jam, but less than six months to go until november election. the race to become donald trump's running mate is clearly heating up on the shortlist. house republican conference chairwoman, at least a phonic of new york, north
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dakota, the governor, doug bergamo, senator tim scott, and south carolina senator marco rubio of florida. all of them giving tv interviews a day after joining trump at an rnc fundraiser at mara logo saturday there's also south dakota governor kristi noem now talked about for many different reasons, we'll talk about them as well. let's bring in the panel so eva, these trump vp candidates in many ways, i think it's fair to interpret them as auditioning to a degree for the position by talking about issues that matter to donald trump in the way that donald trump wants to hear them. for example senator tim scott who i believe voted to certify the line. this is again, refusing to say whether he would accept the outcome of the 2024 election at the end of the day, the 47th president united states will be first it donald's shop. i'm excited to
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give back to low inflation, low unemployment senator, yes or no? yes or no. will you accept the election results of 2024, no matter who wins? >> that is my statement so i'm not sure that that would be like it's it's not bad as far as donald trump would be concerned, but it's not well, he's only going to he's definitely an a when and the only way he doesn't win is if they cheat, which is what trump would say. >> yes. so he never was full blown into the election denialist somebody has always given this idea that something in 2020 was a skew and eyring. >> so when i was on the campaign trail with him in, voters would raise this, he would suggest, well, oh, it's okay now, because republican safe with republican governors have past election laws to address this issue but listen senator scott is playing for an audience of one. it doesn't matter what we say on this panel, what anyone else thinks he cares, what the form of precedent things and the former president wants this narrative to continue. and i suspect as
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this becomes more and more like the apprentice and all these folks are vying against one another these interviews with these candidates, i guess you could call them are going to become even more combative, right? as they tried to go back and forth and not answer basic questions. so you are on the show yesterday after doug bergamot interview, north dakota governor and if i'm reading your comments correctly, you're basically saying that are running mate supposed to provide something and maybe you didn't necessarily see what doug bergen added to a ticket. >> who adds the most? do you think potentially other than vice president pence, who obviously, you know, he would add a line given gravitas and all that, but he's not even in saying he's going to vote for trump. so, so the park potential vps. well, i think the big thing is is that nobody ever votes for the vp. no one walks into the ballot box that goes, i'm voting for vice president blah. so they literally are going well. i heard from the vp nominee that this president represents my values is we're going to port my policies. so the question then that's what pens offered
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in 2016, correct? >> you basically ofir certification that i've talked to him. >> he's one of us and heal good, take care of it. i did that for obama to and away, right? >> especially on foreign policy. because of that time. so the question is going to be, is what a tim scott be able to help move the needle in, say, the black community? wouldn't least the phonic be able to go in suburban philadelphia or in milwaukee and helps suburban college educated moms. would marco rubio be able to help move over more latino and hispanic voters? i'm not saying they can and they would, but those are the kinds of calculus you would have to take. and you'd have, they would have obviously a lot of polling that shows the why we think that's the most valuable. so charlie, congressmen down, let me ask you, so south dakota governor kristi noem has been getting a lot of attention for her book. >> her memoir coming out and i guess they're removing passages from the book one of them while she's not removing the part where she shoots her 18 month old or 17 months old,
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a dog cricket in the head because it was attacking chickens or something that was aggressive. but then there's this also this claim in this part is being removed from the book that she met with kim jong un in a trip to the dmz or something like that when she was a member of congress listened to her explanation about why she's removing that lbt passage from cbs this morning? >> i'm saying that i'm not talking about that meeting. i'm not talking about my meetings with leaders, but there are some that are meeting worldly are some that are in the book. and then there's some that's not, it's as question. did you or did you not? that's that's that's the answer that i have for you. >> is that so i am it will be adjusted. and as soon as i became aware of it, that content was removed. >> so just two things. one of them is as soon as i became aware of it, she did the book on tape so presumably even if she didn't write her own memoir, she read it. she just didn't realize it. second, she seems to be suggesting that she did meet with kim jong un. she just wasn't supposed to include it in the book i got
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essentially did not meet with kim jong un she probably went to north korea, like many members of congress do they go to the dmz and they step over in the north korea. >> what's are allowed to do. but i suspect that's what she did, but she never met with kim jong un apparently she did read her book and still did not catch these errors. so i'm frankly stun by this whole situation and not a good look in i can imagine this is going to help her in terms of her vice presidential aspirations because this is a, this is a fiasco for her, but our strategy to combat all of this self-inflicted drama is really interesting. >> thing. she's saying, look, look, they're just treating me how they treat trump. the media is just going after me. like they treat trump and she's continuing to double down on all of this chaos. >> yes had some tweak complaining about margaret brennan from cbs, from fascination, interrupting her. i mean, as somebody who does this you, it's not really interrupting. we're trying to get you to answer the question. she wouldn't answer the question yeah. >> no. i mean, you that's
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that's the challenge. i mean, obviously, when you're in this situation, either own it and may a coppa i shouldn't have been in there. i shouldn't have gotten and get out and then a one day you story becomes a one they do store when you literally try to play in a gray area than a one de new story becomes a one-week news story this is, i think mismanaged opportunity. >> so in addition to all that there's this story she still she's still defending her decision to shoot and kill a dog because she claims it was aggressive. she said this is a humane manner manner shooting the dog and the head according to the american veterinary society, every state in the country is a law that allows us i'm not sure that that's accurate, but according to the american veterinarian society of animal behavior, they say animals with china challenging behavior disorders such as aggression should be treated with effective, compassionate, and humane methods of training rather than with a heavy hand. there are no exceptions to this standard. i still don't understand the defense of shooting her dog in the head. well there is assume it was the head hey, jake, we had our poor
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little dog had kidney failure. we had to put it down the day after christmas and it's a very hard thing to do. there's a compassionate way to deal with an animal that's either dying or in this case, if it was truly a very aggressive animal, there is a way to do that, deal with that, other than taking the gravel pit shooting them in the head. and what about the goat by the way that also happened. but the point is this is, this is, this is completely self-destructive and self-inflicted wound by kristi noem on our own. vice presidential aspirations, i think she was a legitimate contender for vp, but as you note, like this, fiasco, as you call it, it has just snowballed. it's we're on day ten of this or something like that. yeah. i mean, this is where your political advisers, they have to read this book ahead of time and go, no, you can't say that. or let can we reward that? i mean, this is what we all do for a living. that's can't go in the book. >> i believe it was jack schaffer of political who reported that a previous memoir she wanted to put this in the book, but her previous team and our previous publisher said don't put that in the book and
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>> i had to montgomery in tokyo and this this cnn enter politics lead moments ago, a nearly two-hour meeting wrapped up between your mic johnson and the republican member who is threatening his job, marjorie taylor greene, the congresswoman from georgia, who just spoke to reporters about the meeting. >> take a listen we just had a very long discussion with the speaker we're gonna be meeting again tomorrow based on the discussion that we've had and so we really don't have any news to report it this time, but so we're going to be meeting again with speaker johnson and in the morning, based on our discussion and then we'll have more information congresswoman large retailer green could force a motion to vacate as early as
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today, although she seems to suggest you won't. >> speaker johnson is likely to keep his job house democratic leaders have said than enough democrats would vote to kill the effort. but this is amping up divisions among the republican party's narrow house majority. i think he can only, johnson can only afford to lose one vote in any party line vote with this now to discuss republican congressman matt gaetz of florida as well versed on kicking speakers to the curb. last year, he forced the vote to lead to the unprecedented remove of how speaker kevin mccarthy so thank you so much for being here. i also want to talk to you about something even talking about on foreign the foreign affairs committee having to do with these share. but before we get to that, you said you disagree with congresswoman greens approach to this and there's too much at stake legislatively to remove the speaker during an election year, you did lead the charge against mccarthy and no house speaker had ever been removed from office before that do you have any concerns that maybe you've opened a pandora's box that you've set a precedent that now can be abused. >> but first let me say hallelujah to that reaction for marchal retailer green, we
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won't be facing a motion to vacate today. it looks like and i think marchal tailor green has substantive concerns with how the house is being run that i would agree with the same with thomas massey. i was very deliberate to ensure that i did not execute a motion to vacate during an election year. i think that puts the majority at some risk. i think that that's not good for our presidential nominees. so i wanted to make sure we cleaned out the barn in 2023 that we headed into 2024 as united as we possibly could be, no denying that mike johnson has led us down on a number of fronts. he ran on a campaign of single subject spending bills. he used to be against this warrantless surveillance against americans and he was someone who had voted against funding for ukraine, regardless of how you view those things for him too. do a one at on them has caught a number of us with a bit of whiplash. mike johnson is a great impressionist. i wish he would do the impression of mike johnson from october when we elected him because that was a lot more productive. >> so one of the things that's interesting is that it seems like the criticisms about
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johnson, there was something very personal about those who opposed mccarthy in the sense that people thought he was a liar and that he had misled them and he had made them promises and then not kept them johnson, i understand that there are policy different disagreements and he would argue i'm sure i have one vote or to vote majority & i can only do so much if republicans are threatening me every bill. we have to govern do you see them differently in all or are they the same well, i think that the kevin mccarthy concern about lying and about side deals and misrepresentations was considerably more acute than what we've dealt with with mike johnson with my johnson, we don't understand why he went from opposing ukraine to supporting ukraine. >> why you went from being for a warrant for surveillance to being a guest, a warrant. and certainly in that matter, he was the deciding vote. so those are substantive concerns, were not worried that my johnson is
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lying to us and working some secret side deal. we're worried that he's changing his views on things where if we think he was right the first time, but he might argue and he can defend himself, but he might argue, look i did was allow a vote on ukraine aid. >> you know, he he voted voted for two, but but either way, his argument might be looked, you oppose it get 218 votes against it, and you can defeat it. but we had a majority of the majority oppose the ukraine eight, but that's not 250 votes though, right? but but the, the hasta at rule has been one that any yet members have advocated for to not use the democrats to roll on a matter of policy. now, look, i'll admit on matters of procedure, we have aligned with democrats to stop decisions from rolling to the floor that we thought were bad and even removing mccarthy after he had lied to both democrats and republicans with my johnson, we want it to be the best version of himself. we just see a two-hour meeting that's going to result in another meeting hopefully, this motion to vacate is a positive upward management tool that marjorie taylor greene can use to get the most out of mike.
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>> i want to give you an opportunity because kevin mccarthy is obviously still has a lot of animus towards you. specifically, i've heard and he's still out there on cameras saying things about you. and i want to give you an opportunity to respond to something he said not long ago. he's backing republican challenging you in a primary, for example. and he says, he, you only came for his job because you wanted him to call off the congressional ethics investigation into you. so take a listen and then we'll have you give you a fair schick to respond i'll give you the truth why i'm not speakers because one person, a member of congress wanted me to stop an ethics complaint because he slept with a 17-year-old an ethics complaint that started before i ever became speaker, and that's illegal and i'm not going to get the milk. did he do it or not? i don't no so first of all, you have long denied these allegations. >> the justice department conducted an investigation. they brought no charges against you. there is a congressional ethics probe going on. i want to give you an opportunity respondent and see if you've had any conversations or
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discussions with kevin mccarthy or mike johnson about any of those no, i haven't. >> it's obvious from that clip, kevin seven, a totally normal one, and his life is back to copacetic post being speaker. look, i'm the most investigated man and congress, there's not a single human being who has publicly accused me of any wrongdoing of any kind like at what point after these things have been said about me for years and years and not a single person has even accused me of wrongdoing. does this sort of become a strangurn nd my concerns with kevin mccarthy were around his truthfulness, which by the way, he certainly didn't advance any veracity in those comments. >> so let's talk about the issue that i wanted to have. you want to discuss? us and russian troops have been operating under the same military base in niger fairly several weeks. and this is all amid a coup and the country's ruling leaders have made it clear they want the us forces to leave the us still is needs clearance for military flights to withdraw any troops. your staff has been talking to active duty us troops. there you're also talking to
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constituents who have loved ones there. what are you hearing from the active duty troops first, we have over 1,000 us service members and then more contractors who are functionally stuck in genre, they have not been resupplied since march. there was a coup and the country of nujaila in march since then, no resupplies on april 17th. i you should hello. saying that in may, there would be out of critical medicines for chronic diseases. i had heard this directly from service members from my district. now what i can tell who are there who are there and tasked with public health responsibilities. what i can tell you right now, i'm getting letters that say my husband's specifically is on cholesterol medication for his heart at this point in time, he has run out of medicine from another service member. we still have not received supplies at airbase one-on-one. we are short on blood and medications. we keep getting told. talks are good, but if they're going good, why have no planes come for our replacements? we have not had a resupply mission here since march. the morale is terrible and needs to be fixed sap my appeal beyond politics is
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directly to president biden. president biden, either resupply our troops with what they need for medicine and water and food, or get them out of there and evacuate that base. you cannot use our service members as leverage and some sort of negotiation. if i were president, we'd be flying c13 30s in with the medicine and supplies those folks need and they'd have every military escort that they needed, an iv, send it to the nigerian government where the target packages were there would implicate their houses and their family members because we cannot be held hostage by some third world group of gang coup leaders who just overthrow through the democratically elected government and share, please keep, keep us informed on this story. very important. and i appreciate your coming here to talk about it. thanks. thank you, congressman gets more breaking news, dangerous storms moving in images show the ominous clouds right now about 100 miles west of oklahoma city, the severe weather threat ongoing for the night i had from tried and true
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