assignment with potty cornish. >> listen wherever you get your podcasts when welcome back to our special coverage of donald trump's criminal trial. >> we are of course, staying on top of all of today's major elements. but right now, we have some major breaking news coming out of the middle east hamas has agreed to a ceasefire agreement for opposed by both egypt and khader. we know israel help craft this deal. but it's not fully agreed to it, at least not yet. we have reached out to prime minister benjamin, a tiny house to office in jerusalem. we are awaiting official response from the israeli government. will have a live report from jerusalem adjusted moment, but i want to make sure that as everyone appreciates what's going on, hamas has announced that is had dea the head of its political euro, has told both cutlery and egyptian mediators that hamas has agreed to their proposal for a ceasefire agreement much more in this

coming up a very significant development for right now, there we want to track what's going on in donald trump's four week historic hush money criminal trial, a key witness, just spent about three hours taking jurors inside the trump organizations bookkeeping and specifically the reimbursement of former trump leuser and fixer michael cohen after cohen fronted the money for the stormy daniels hush money deal. briana killer is joining us right now. she's outside the courthouse in new york city. briana update our viewers well, this morning, wall, former trump or controller, jeffrey mecole, walked through cohen's monthly payouts, which were wired for i'm former president trump's personal account. >> those are payments that began after trump was in the white house. and i'm here now with cnn chief domestic correspondent fill mattingly, along with sana when legal analysts karan friedman, agnes low, she's council any firm representing michael cohen, but she does not have contact with him, does not work on his case.

and there are no restrictions on what she can say about this case. and karan we should know right now, the court has broken for lunch. they're going to be back around two 15 eastern, but this break comes out testimony that was key to these charges of falsifying records. >> yes. so mr. mecole was the controller of the trump organization long-term employee for over 30 years, and he was key is a key witness here to talk about how these payments were made. don't forget this is a falsifying business records case and it's all about the record keeping. and so far, we haven't heard this link to donald trump, which is a little bit surprising and we were thinking that he was going to say, yeah, of course he was involved and yes, he did it. let's see what they say on redirect and how the prosecution gets back up again. but i think the defense did a good job at neutralizing his testimony and saying things like, you didn't have many options in the drop-down menus antiquated systems. so if it

said attorney's fees, that's because it came out of the drop-down menu. you didn't have you didn't have an option for whatever this was reading michael cohen testimony karan, if he is the only witness who does provide that link, will that be problematic at all well certainly it would be great to have more direct evidence to corroborate that donald trump did do that. >> there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that the prosecution has brought up as well, that donald trump knew that this was was what it was four, i mean, it's it's clear a crime was committed and it's clear what happened. did donald trump do it? that's the thing that i think i think is what is missing so fascinating today from the prosecution, side is how they walk through structurally how the alleged crime was committed, and how exactly it happened with the actual exhibit showing the checks themselves, showing the email, showing how $35,000 monthly payments were paid out, showing how little it resembled. >> pick a traditional legal

payment or legal retainer would actually look like within their process. and then underscoring that the tropic counting system pre presidency was antiquated. i believe it's the actual word that was used to karen's point. and this has been, i think thematics throughout the course of four weeks of this trial up to this point, who has been able to directly say, i in this donald trump having a direct direct action in this happening so far, nobody still it is very clear based on how the prosecution is built the case that trump as a lot of control, it's not all the control over all of these things. sinks were sent from his personal accounts. these checks from cent from his personal accounts. and so everything seems to imply that's the case. but once again, another official or another individual involved in how this all happened, not being able to directly say he had any contact with trump on this issue are really much at all, i think over the course of that was what the yeah the cross-examination really got it. >> what do you think about how this is sort of pulling the curtain back on the business dealings of trump's business but also i'm pulling the

curtain back on how things were going at the white house it was a bit chaotic. if we a bit off the cuff, it was driven largely though we don't have documentation of this specifically in this case, but it was largely driven by whatever the guy who ran the operation water, you know, very well how the trump white house operated. >> it was not traditional externally, like an executive branch. it's not traditionally like a wellspring was run and it seems and i think we've seen lots of evidence of this, or at least anecdotes tied to this about the trump organization over the series of data okay so it wasn't an operation that was driven by one individual and it was designed to give him what he wanted for the business that he wanted to run. that was very much how the white house operate. i think what's fascinating in the testimony today is how you see the shift in the trump organization according to the witness today, when delta went to the white house recognizing that systems weren't that great, they were antiquated, recognizing that people who were running the systems were people who had to sign off on things perhaps weren't doing it anymore. a traditional or functional manner. and said, delta up that to the white house.

>> we'll see what the jiri makes all of this and we'll also see who the next witnesses ultimately after this, we'll see redirect a lot of surprises as we don't i always know who the next witness is going to be filling karan, if you can stand by with me. wolf, i want to go back to you. obviously we have some real major breaking news or brianna now we're following breaking news in the middle east. >> hamas says a downstairs agreed to a ceasefire agreement proposed by egypt and qatar. we're waiting to see if israel will accept the deal as well. beth center is a former deputy director of national intelligence for our she's joining us on the phone. so what's your reaction beth, let me just read to you a little bit from the statement that mousereleased the statement said that this battle hernia, the head of the political bureau of hamas, quote, made a phone call to the khardori prime minister shake mohammed bin abdullah rockman. funny and to the egyptian ministry of intelligence, mr. abu abbas kemal. and inform them of hamas is agreement to their purpose causal regarding a cease-fire

agreement, what's your reaction? beth well, i think that first we have to hold our breath here, but i do think that the israelis are likely to sign on since this is the same terms as far as we know to what they have signed on earlier. >> so i'm actually pretty hopeful. i think that the military pressure and this idea that the rafat operation was about to go forward may have made the difference the. >> last the framework proposal that we know about beth had the release of 20-33 israeli hostages over several weeks in exchange for a temporary ceasefire and the release of palestinian prisoners being held by israel and that was supposed to result in a restoration of sustainable calm during which the remaining hostages captive is really soldiers in the bodies of hostages would also be exchanged for the release of

more palestinian prisoners. >> that was an earlier proposal that was clearly discussed with both khader and egypt. if that is the plan right now, and if if pastas agreed to that, that would be a huge development and absolutely huge development. >> and i think that part of the issue here is that yahya sinwar is as far as we know, still hold up in southern gaza and the political leadership, omnia, who is the one who said publicly that they were go they have trouble communicating it's hard for them to do that, but also they're not completely on the same page and they don't have the same interests in some ways, given that sinwar potentially staring down the barrel of a gun on and also the party who wants to walk wave from this and survive. so it could be a very big deal and i think that this delay may have been part of the discussion and trying to hear back from a sinwar inside of

gaza that's standby. i want to go to jeremy diamond. he's joining us live from jerusalem right now jeremy, has there been any reaction from the israeli government to what the hamas has just announced? >> well, if there has not yet, and so we are applying a lot of caveats to this, this news that is just breaking out this hour and that is wolf that we have now heard from hamas and a statement that they posted to their telegram channels saying that they have agreed to the proposal regarding a cease-fire agreement. it's smile hernia, hamas is political leaders speaking to the kadoorie prime minister as well as the egyptian intelligence chief to relay that message. but as you said, we have yet, to hear from the israeli government. officially, we have yet to hear from the americans, from the egyptians, from the khader ease. and so we do have to caveat this, this news, which does carry with it quite a bit of promise and hope here, hope, of course, for the hundreds of thousands of people in gaza who have endured unspeakable horrors over seven months of

war as well as for the families of those hostages who remain captive in gaza who have hoped and prayed for the day that they will get to hold their loved ones in their arms. once again. but what we do know wolf is that there has been an egyptian framework on the table over the course of the last week which officials on all sides that had had a lot of hope that it could potentially bring these two sides together. in particular, because israel did make several key concessions, including allowing the return, the unrestricted return of palestinians to northern gaza as part of this latest framework, something that they had resisted this stood for some time and had been a major sticking point. this framework agreement that was on a table last week would see the release of some 20 to 33 is really hostages over several weeks of a ceasefire. and then ultimately similarly leading to a longer-term cease fire, perhaps a one-year cease fire between israel and hamas. israel had not agreed to every point in this framework, but it had they did have significant

input in this work as it was then presented to hamas we've watched wolf over the last few days as that optimism around those negotiations had quickly soured, it appeared that hamas was sticking to its demand that an end to the war altogether that israel commit to that as part of this agreement something that israel has refused to do. but now hours after the israeli military began dropping evacuation leaflets on eastern raffa, offering 100,000 civilians to flee hamas. now putting in a statement hours later that they have agreed to this initial proposal. we don't know whether that evacuated patient order and raffa was the key factor that change tomas his mind. we also don't know whether any major changes to this egyptian framework have been made in order to get hamas to agree to it. and like i said, we have yet to here from all of the other parties involved. so as much as there is a promise and hope in this statement from hamas, there is certainly not certainty at this

stage. >> jeremy, i want you to stand by mj lee or white house correspondent has getting more information. us reaction. i take it mj, the president, president biden, had a conversation, a phone conversation with prime minister benjamin, the tiny earlier today. is that right? >> that's, right we know president biden and israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu spoke earlier today. and of course, these ongoing hostage deal negotiations was one of them many topics that the two leaders discussed, as has been the case for all of their recent phone conversations. but what we are waiting for right now is an official white house and us it's reaction to this news that hamas has apparently agreed to a temporary ceasefire deal. so we'll bring that to you whenever we have word of that but i heard jeremy in his last conversation with you, really leaning into the various caveats that are at play here. and i do think that kind of note of caution from here in washington is wise as well.

that is just to say that we have had moments like this before in the months of negotiations to get to a temporary ceasefire and hostages released deal where we appear to be he on the brink of a deal and other moments where we appear to be on the brink of these talks completely falling apart. so again, as we wait for official us ford and reaction from the israeli sayyed to this news from hamas that they are agreeing to this deal. i do think again, just leaning into that note of caution is definitely worth doing. but what us officials have been doing, of course, in recent weeks, is very much up pushing hard for this deal to get done because the administration believes that this is really the only clear way to eventually getting to an end to this war. but i can't underscore enough how important it is for us officials try to get to that point, try to get to the point of hostages coming out. and this this conflict that has been going on for so many months to come to an end.

and of course, a big part of that as avoiding a major raffa encouraging from taking place. and of course, these rayleigh have been warning for weeks and weeks now, but they are getting increasingly prepared to go ahead and take that step if this deal does not come together wolf is the white house. they'll planning a press briefing at the bottom of the hour and about 15 minutes or so from now, mj? >> yeah, that press briefing has actually been pushed back to 2:00. so that is when we will hear from national security council spokesperson john kirby and where we will get an opportunity to press him on all of these latest developments. and of course, we'll be bringing that to you as well, wolf. >> i suspect that will be the first official white house reaction to this hamas statement that they've accepted the proposal put forward by qatar and by egypt, we'll see what they would kirby says at the top of the hour, mj don't go too far away. this is major breaking news who's that we're following right now, hamas says it has agreed to a new temporary ceasefire proposal put forward by egypt and khader will get more reaction from

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let's go straighten out and nick robertson. he is it's in london. london or pardon me. nick, what do we know about how israel is viewing this at this point? >> there's been such a wide gap on v key issue here which is a permanent ceasefire, which is what hamas has demanded, and israel says, isn't on the table, it's been a salami slice deal, if you will, broken down into a period of six weeks of truce for an exchange of hostages than in another six weeks of truce, during which period, a final ceasefire could have been agreed, but but that really big sticking point as far as we know, remains a sticking point precisely what hamas is saying that they have agreed to. we don't know the details. they're saying they've agreed to a plan put forward, proposed by khader and egypt. now we know over the weekend that there were negotiations in egypt and the hamas. were given the egyptian proposal. we understood that

that proposal was simply a framework that even if that proposal that framework proposal was agreed there would still be day's worth of discussions hammering out the details. and of course, the devil is in the detail. and i think it's worth noting that in any negotiation, both sides are trying to unbalance the other. and it appeared earlier on this day when israel was dropping flyers over raffa telling part of the puzzle prolation 100,000 people they needed to move. it really seemed as if israel was potentially going to go ahead with as much talked about ground operation and raffa psychological pressure, if you will, on hamas because prime minister netanyahu has said, all along the idf has said all along, it is military pressure on hamas that will get the release of the hostile suggests. but at this stage when israel appears on the front foot for a potential offensive into raffa, which is not an easy consideration. takes a lot of resources, a lot of organization. now, we hear from hamas that they've agreed

to, as far as an unspecified deal, we don't know the details. if we could know those details, we would know how realistic it is that israel might respond in the affirmative, but it does say in that hamas has

>> i'm so decision to push for a cease fire and gaza, that moment, hamas realized that actually they had pressure that they didn't think they could bring to bear on israel. and we've since then, we've seen protests at universities across campuses in the united states europe oxford, and cambridge today in the uk and france and other countries as well and for hamas, that, that signals a support for the palestinian cause. with pr, real political clout that they haven't had before now, it's temporary political clout. this is an election year in many countries here, the united states, for example, but for hamas, that seemed for a while to have hardened their position and they felt perhaps they were getting sympathies that they weren't otherwise getting from much of the work. so where does

that where does that leave them today? we know that their head or their political office in gaza, the person sin why the person is draw most wants to either capture or kill is a very astute negotiator, a very astute study of politics, not only in israel, but, around the world. so is are they trying to level let's break this down again. what we understood about the deal was that it was going to be a framework with potentially three, six weeks during the first six weeks of a temporary ceasefire hamas would release initially, we thought 40 and then the number came down to 33 the children the female hostages, the elderly hostages, and those who are sick. now and part of that equation was how many palestinians would be released and how quickly gardens could go back to the north of gaza.

and israel didn't want that because it feared that would allow her master regained some control on the ground. and hamas didn't want israel staying inside of gaza because they realized that there was a potential for another offensive. and in that second phase, all the living male hostages were supposed to be released. >> none of these details are really been sort of on the surface over the past few weeks of these negotiations. why? >> because it does seem to have come down to the question of permanent cease fire and test i'm pretty cease fire and i think until again, until we can see some daylight on that issue, we're not really going to know where which way israel is going to move on this, but certainly sinwar, hamas, or put israel in naaf, i wouldn't say a difficult position, but they've got them potentially on the back foot at the moment. >> yeah, certainly trying to put israel in a difficult position and we do not know what hamas is agreed to here. we do not know how israel is going to see it. nick, thank

you so much for that from london, let's go now to the state department and kylie out would kylie what are you hearing there? >> well, listen, we're waiting here, briana for the state department to conduct its daily briefing. it was supposed to happen about half an hour ago. we're still waiting for an update. it's clear that us officials are trying to figure out what is going on here and how they respond to this news from hamas. given we don't know the zack details as nick was saying, of the proposal that hamas has said that they have accepted here the last time that we heard from the secretary of state on these ongoing negotiations between hamas and israel through of course, the interlocutors in egypt. and qatar was last week when he was traveling in the region secretary of state essentially said the onus is on hamas. hamas is standing in the way of the deal because he said the current iteration of the deal that had been put on the table crafted by the egyptians, but had been reviewed by the

israelis, made significant compromises on behalf of the israelis, essentially making the case that that deal was the best deal that hamas was going to get and saying very clearly that hamas should accept it. so if hamas has accepted that version of the deal, this would be a major development and would put the ball back in israel's court. we just don't know if it's exactly those terms that hamas says that they are green two right now. and the other thing i want to note is that us officials have been saying that what's on the table is of course, that temporary ceasefire that would be an exchange for the release of those hostages. but of course, the hope from us officials is that that temporary ceasefire would turn into more last stinks ceasefire and then turn into a piece. of course that creates some tension with israelis who have been saying for quite some time now that they are hoping that there is, of course, this agreement to

release these hostages, but they also are very clear in saying that their operation in raffa will go ahead no matter what yeah there are just so many ifs here. we need to be clear about that. as you said, kylie, thank you, nick. thank you so much to you for your reporting ahead. we have much more on our breaking news is we are awaiting the state department briefing hamas agreeing to a cease fire proposal. but exactly what in this proposal, are they agreeing to will have more after a quick break stay with us i'll scoop is torres was at the absolute peak of his celebrity in olympic heroes shocking murder trial, we learned of a much darker individual. >> how would really happen with jesse l. martin sandi nine on cnn?

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that's when 8085920400 of course, following all the breaking news out of the trap hush money trial right now, they're on a lunch recess. >> were also following major breaking news out of the middle east right now, hamas has agreed to a ceasefire agreement proposed by the governments of egypt and khader. we are now waiting for an official response from the government of israel. some important context here, this development comes after israel ordered palestinians and eastern raffa, southern gaza to evacuate just ahead of what was being can describe as a limited israeli military operation. and raffa source familiar with this operation tells you the intention was exactly what we're seeing now to put a lot of pressure on our to agree to a new ceasefire deal. i want to bring in cnn global affairs analysts kim dozer, who's joining us. kim, first of all, what are you what are you? i think we're hearing from why do you think we're hearing from hamas but still awaiting official reaction from the government of israel

immediately wolf i'm suspicious because in the past covering other rounds of israeli palestinian peace talks, whenever you hear from one side and you don't hear from both together, you have to wonder if you're being spun what has hamas actually agreed to or has it just agreed to something that cut are an egypt proposed that israel hasn't signed onto yet. >> and by doing that, does it help to buy time to delay what seems to be israel's imminent military operation. and raffa, that is aimed in hunting down all the remaining top leaders of hamas inside gaza territory. >> well, kevin, do you think israel potentially could push ahead with the military offensive and raffa the very, very soon with a ceasefire proposal on the table i think what we have right now is confusion, confusion inside the capitals, in dc israel, as

everyone tries to figure out what exactly has hamas agreed to. >> and in the meantime, what we've seen in the past is israel just keeps pushing ahead because as you said the pressure seems to be working. hamas is blinked it seems to have agreed to something. now, we just have to figure out what but this is the hope for the hostage families that at least 33 hostages might get out in the first tranche. it is also a hopeful sign for the people in gaza, especially those people in rafah injured kids, et cetera, who are living in tents. it's going to be very hard to move them to the area that the israeli defense forces have specified, which is on the coast near the sea according to various who and other organizations trying to provide aid. there doesn't have good sanitation or water supplies. so anything that delays that

military operation from their perspective, is a good thing. let's just hope this really is legitimate. and a reason then to hope for the future. >> i source kim familiar with all these negotiations, all these talks underway right now, just tell cnn this and i'm quoting from this source, the ball is now firmly and benjamin ateneo was cord close quote what do you think? he is likely to do? the prime minister of israel and again israel has to find out exactly what it signed up to. >> is it the proposal that israel put forth to the qatari and egyptian negotiators, or have there been changes made to it? >> but this is designed a move like this is designed to make netanyahu look like the bad guy. >> if they take a look at what being proposed and it has things like perhaps a doubling in the number of palestinian prisoners that need to be

released according to hamas, in the first phase, these kinds kind of small details that end up being huge details because every single one of those palestinian prisoners released, there's a process that you have to go through on the israeli judicial sayyed, where you give anyone that those prisoners have wronged. if they're convicted murderers, the families of those murdered have to be able to say okay this person being released for this cause so there are lots of details that have to be fulfilled on the israelis sayyed within their own government. that's why i think you're seeing this pause to see exactly what hamas thinks israel is agreeing to our global affairs analysts, kim dozer. thank you very much for that update will have much more on the breaking news on a possible ceasefire deal. in the middle east. and we'll take a quick break. we're also of course, keeping a very close eye on the donald trump hush money trial, expected to resume in the next hour or so, stay with us much more of our special coverage right after

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central player in all of this for the past six or seven months, alongside mediators, qatar and in egypt and bill burns, the ci hey, director has been the main american official who has been in charge of helping to negotiate this ceasefire in the course of the past few weeks and months to try to get this ceasefire across the leyen it does appear that we are close to that line, but whether it has been crossed that remains to be seen. we learned on friday, briana that bill burns had traveled out to the region specifically to cairo, where so many of the recent talks had been taking place. a hamas delegation was also sent to cairo on saturday. and then we learned that burns and moved onto the qatari capital, doha, essentially doing this shuttle diplomacy, engaging with all the other counterparts to try to get this finalized. now of course the us does not deal directly with hamas because it's a terrorist organization designated by the united states. but you did have the us head of central

intelligence in the same places as these hamas delegations, both in cairo and in doha. so no doubt burns has been trying to get this deal to a place where it could be accepted by both sides. he's been working feverish lay on this for the past few months. we understand from our colleague, becky anderson that while in doha yesterday, that the ci director had a day-long meeting with the qatari prime minister sir, who has been his main opposite number, if you will. and in these talks, and then i was told that he actually extended his stay in doha. he had earlier plans to go to israel, but but stayed in doha instead. so no doubt bill burns has been central and trying to get this deal through whether that will actually happen we really have to wait and see, but as one source told becky, the ball is in israel's court, brianna and alex, i should mention we have just learned from an israeli source there reviewing at this

point what hamas has agreed to. so they say they are reviewing this and they are working out a response, which obviously is what we are awaiting to see what happens here. alex mark. right. thank you for that reporting on the us role let's go to cnn's nic robertson, who isn't in london. make i know that you have been speaking to your sources as we learn that israel is reviewing this which is not at this point a dismissal. they are looking to see what hamas has agreed to here what are you hearing? >> yeah. and i think it's worth when when we try to analyze what's happening here, it's not just that hamas and israel have positions on this. there are things that katara is one out of the deal. there are things that egypt, one side of the deal, and obviously things the united states wants to see come out of the deal as well as well as other regional players. so there are many hands that are shaping the way this moves on long and the mediators like

egypt and qatar have quite a significant role to play. they talk directly to the parties involved, the parties, israel and hamas and hamas saves, don't talk directly to each other. so they have a role and they have an influence and they have a way that they can help shape so the source that i've been speaking two, tells me that what sml honey or the political head in doha of hamas is agreeing to may not be the entirety of what israel, once but the source is also indicating that there may still be something that could be added onto this. let's say an amendment or something that could be added on to this current discussion that could push it over the line. and if we go back just a few days over the weekend, we were talking about the potential for a framework agreement and if that framework was agreed, which did seem to come close and then didn't that there would still

be day's worth of talking to get through the details now is the hitch over part of the framework is the hitch over part of the detail. we don't know. but what i also understand from this source was that over the weekend as part of these negotiations, there was pressure on cater to provide some guarantees of some unspecified sort to try to help get the deal through from the original egyptian proposed framework. so perhaps part of those discussions that we're learning, bill burns has, has had now with the qatari prime minister are really influential figure obviously in the negotiations himself. as well as separately with hamas the kataib has been the interlocutors thf rlere, of cou, has potentially bint to bridge that part of the problem. and maybe we've just the ball has just moved a little bit and now there may be this amendment that is yet to come, but i have to say this is unclear. and i

think the sauces that i'm speaking to don't have the complete picture. again, i come back to that point. that everyone who's trying to buy, i need to cut and i'm sorry, we need to go to the state department where they are discussing this at the daily daily briefing. >> so i can confirm that hamas has issued a response. we are reviewing that response now and discussing it with our partners in the region. as you know, director burns is in the raesian working on this in real time. we will be discussing this response with our partners over the coming hours. we continue to believe that a hostage deal is in the best interests of the israeli people. it's in the best interests of the palestinian people. it would bring an immediate ceasefire. >> it would allow increased movement of humanitarian assistance and so we're going to continue to work to try to reach one you haven't made any yet made any determination about whether this is whether they're they're accepting

what is on the table or are there accepting something that is different. >> we have only received the response in the last hour or 90 minutes. and as i said, are going through it now and discussing it with discussing it with partners in the region. so i don't want to characterize the nature of that response just yet. >> good. thanks. >> shannon. good. i just go ahead thank you. there been some reports that from israel that perhaps hamas agreed to a proposal that was put together by egypt and khader that was softer than the initial three mark that was in the works last week is it possible that there has been a different proposal that the us is not involved with the tracking. >> so i've seen those suggestions i've seen some of those reports and i think i hope you'll understand that because we are still reviewing the response that is come in and because we were working on this in real time and trying to reach an agreement. i'm just going to decline to comment on detail about any of those reports. we're gonna be discussing this response with our partners in the region in the hours and it remains are

top priority to try to reach a cease-fire agreement that will lead to the release of hostages that will allow a surge of humanitarian assistance. both into gaza and allow it to move around inside gaza. but i don't want to comment on any of the various reports about what they might've been responding to until we've been able to go through it in detail and come to a full understanding and discuss it with our partners. >> and can you say at this point maybe you can't, but hamas is political way and their militant wing are they the same page here? do you feel like this is a response at elisa indicates where the entire group is. >> i'm just not going to i'm just not going to speak for hamas at all as we have said for some time, there has been a significant ofir on the table. the ball has been in hamas this ct. we have made clear that they should accept that offer, that israel made significant compromises showed that they wanted to reach an agreement that would lead to the release of hostages that would bring an immediate ceasefire. and we have hoped that hamas would take the deal that was on the table. now, as to what's in their response, what it looks like, we're going to review that and withhold judgment till

we've had a chance to conduct a full review. >> this the threatened is really offensive and rafah, hours before this, there are lots of reports about evacuations. i just report israel talking about evacuations from raffa. >> how does this what's the us message of this now do you think that israel should hold off on any operations raffa, as we discussed this response of course we do. we've made quite clear our position on rothman for some time, which is that we cannot support an operation in raffa as it is currently envisioned, we have made clear the secretary made this clear here in his conversations with prime minister netanyahu and other members of the israeli government last week that we have not seen humanitarian plan that is credible and that is implementable. and we believe a military operation and rafah right now with dramatically increase the suffering of the palestinian people would lead to an increase in loss of civilian life, would dramatically disrupt the delivery of humanitarian assistance, all of which is coming through i'm actually

and say all but the great majority of which is coming to karam shalon or raffa and is being distributed inside the rough area. if you think about what it would do when you have people moving north to places where internal distribution leinz are not currently set up and you're going to have to try to re-establish those in the middle of conflict. and roffey, we think that'd be very difficult, if not impossible, to do so even absent this latest response, we have made clear that we do not support is relaunching a full-scale military operation. and raffa sure you just add it in terms of the standard us position on this, but hasn't been any communication with the israelis about class hours or so, but the response from remal mouse and how this affects this situation, raffa, is there a message? i'm just not going to get into are those conversations, as i said, we just just literally in the past our 90 minutes received that response from hamas in the first place. of course, we will be discussing it with egypt, with khader, with israel, the three countries with whom we have been working throughout this negotiation process. but i

don't want to get to the timing of those, but obviously if we have those conversations have not already started, they will be the ongoing in the next several hours amir that's under current circumstances. do you still think these fires, the civ able based on what you know coming here what what do you mean is a cease-fire achievable. a cease fire is what we are trying to achieve. yes. but i mean, if there were the weekend, there was there was a quite impasse and right now, hamas was accepted it. but from israel, we're hearing that that's not the proposal that we've sent. that's a soft and version that throws into the whole thing into doubt. >> and i think i'm just wondering like, what's your sentences fires absolutely achievable. >> there has been a deal on the table proposal on the table that would achieve an immediate ceasefire. and the release of hostages. now, as for hamas is response which i think gets due your question again, i don't want to characterize it in any sort of detail until we've had a chance to review it in depth and talk with our partners in the region about it. >> one thing on humanitarian aid last week when secretary

was in israel, there was an increased emphasis on during his trip on the delivery of humanitarian aid. we visited term shalom, which got shut down over the weekend after the hamas attack, but can you give us a sense of what a rafah how that would impact? all of gaza because there are issues with distribution in the north. if we have a rough offensive in the south could there be any meaningful matter in aid delivery in the north so let me just be broadly, all of gaza first and then i'll come to the north. >> so certainly a rough operation in an a raw file operation would make it incredibly difficult to sustain the increases in humanitarian assistance that we have been able to deliver over the past few weeks since the president's call with prime minister netanyahu on april for, you have seen an increase in the number of trucks going in through karam shalom, you have seen an increase in the distribution inside of gaza, including inside southern gaza all of that would be put in

jeopardy by a rafah offensive because obviously, just look at what happened in the past 24 hours when you saw hamas rocket attacks on karan that led to the death of three idea of soldiers and led to the closure of karan sholom. if you had an ongoing kinetic military operation, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the impact that that would have on the delivery of humanitarian assistance, not just through karam sholom, not just threw off the gate. >> all right. we're listening miller at the state department amid nujaila, that hamas is agreed to a, ceasefire proposal. >> we are awaiting israel's response to this. we have learned from israel that they have the offer they're reviewing it. what we heard from miller, there was there is a significant ofir on the table. he described the ball as having been in hamas is court. he said that israel has made significant compromises and that was the message that has been taken there in the region can we know that the cia director william burns has been in the region negotiating in earnest as to what's in the

response from israel, miller was saying that the us is very much reviewing what hamas is agreed to with israel and other partners in the region. he's not going to comment on that. perhaps we'll get a little more information we are awaiting a white house press briefing that is scheduled at least to happen here in about 20 minutes, where we've just learned that john kirby, who is the national security spokesman at the white house, is going to be joining that. so just a sense that there is a significant development here, and certainly some hope that perhaps there may be a way to move forward and find agreement to get hostages released. and find an agreement on a cease fire. all of this as the idf has been boys and ordering and evacuation of parts of rafah, we're going to continue to follow this. obviously a lot going on. we'll be right back, stay with cnn every piece of

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now cnn breaking news welcome back now to our special coverage of former president trump's criminal trial. >> first though we do have more on this significant breaking news out of the middle east, hamas has agreed to a ceasefire deal proposed by egypt and qatar our and the israeli government says it is now reviewing a is responsible for potentially brianna very, very significant developments. right now, we're awaiting reaction directly from the white house. the press briefing there is set to be getting just a few minutes. well, here what the national security council spokesperson has to say on this. the apparent agreement by hamas announced by hamas that they've accepted this ceasefire proposal will share those remarks with you live as soon as they begin over at the white house, sienna as jeremy diamond is joining us live from jerusalem right now, jeremy we know israel helped craft this potential deal and a source

tells us it was readying an operation and rafah, a military operation in rafah. in order in part to pressure hamas into accepting a deal. is there any reason to believe israel will not agree to this proposal that hamas says in his accepted well, that's certainly is a possibility wolffian it as a possibility for a few different reasons. the first of which being that we don't know yet officially whether or not what hamas has agreed to is the same framework that was on the table over the course of the last week, which israel did significantly weigh in on and which as of yesterday, hamas delegation had left cairo without agreeing to. we don't know if any changes have been made to that framework. the second thing to keep in mind here is the fact that the israeli government, while it did have significant input into that framework and made some new concessions including allowing the unrestricted return of palestinians to northern gaza as part part of this framework, it had not formally agreed to every

components of this latest egyptian framework. it was expected that should hamas agree to this framework that it was very likely that the mousavi director, david bar neha, would travel to cairo where the negotiators were meeting this weekend and then pursue negotiations to finalize an agreement humans around that framework. and so as of yet, that has not happened and we have yet to actually get an official response from the israeli government, but i have learned wolf that in the last hour or so, the israeli government has indeed formally received hamas is response from the mediators involved in these negotiations, israeli the israeli negotiating team is currently reviewing that response from hamas, but we have yet to get an official comments from the israeli prime minister's office. we also know from a diplomatic source familiar with these talks that hamas is agreement to this framework, whether it has changed or not, but hamas is agreement to this framework came after a day's long meeting between the cia

director bill burns, who was in doha, qatar, and the kadoorie of prime minister, the mediators, it seems including khader and egypt's brought enormous pressure to bear on hamas to get them to accept this current plan. with that source. now, telling our colleague becky anderson that the ball is now firmly in israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is quartz, so we are awaiting any kind of official reaction from the israeli government. but as we understand it, this proposal, this agreement from hamas, is now in the hands of the israeli government. we don't yet know how much it has changed. and we also don't know how israel's order to evacuate about 100,000 people in eastern rafat, setting the stage for that major ground offensive that it has been threatening for months. we don't know how much that played into hamas is decision-making today. >> so i just want to be precise, jeremy, what i hear you saying is that the chief israeli negotiate hey, there and all this and the head of the israeli intelligence service, the mossad, david

burnett, he has not been an egypt in recent days working on this latest proposal, but he's heading there soon. is that what you're saying? >> no word that he's heading there soon, wolf, but my understanding was that if there was a framework agreement that he would then travel to meet the other negotiators who over the weekend had indeed been in cairo, but that hamas delegation left cairo last night, i believe today there have been subsequent meetings between the negotiators in doha, qatar including with the cia director of the khader, prime minister. and as we understand it, hamas is political head is smile hernia than gave made a phone call to the cutlery prime minister, to the head of egyptian intelligence, and he informed them of his agreement to this latest proposal. we don't have any word yet on an israeli delegation patient heading to qatar or to egypt to pursue these negotiations. as we understand it right now, they remain in israel. they are currently studying this latest response from hamas, and we're awaiting any kind of official

government reaction here, just a quick technical question while i have you, jeremy, we know that israel and egypt have diplomatic relations and israeli officials go to cairo for talks, but israel doesn't have full diplomatic relations with qatar. >> are israeli officials, have they been going to doha, qatar for to participate in these negotiations with david burnett, the head of the israeli intelligence service, head to qatar, even though there are no formal diplomatic relations between qatar in israel yeah he's he certainly would wolf and despite the fact that they don't have those formal diplomatic relations, there have been open lines of communication between the israeli government officials at namely david barney and his cutree counterparts. >> the cutlery prime minister, who also serves as the foreign minister, has been the main interlocutor here. as has the cia director bill burns and the egyptian head of intelligence, carmela boss. those are all of the key players and certainly they have been traveling to each other over the course of the last several months desperately trying to broker a

deal which hundreds of thousands of people in gaza have been waiting for, for seven months now as they have faced this war, we have seen images of them celebrating in the streets tonight. although again, we do not yet have a final agreement between the parties. and then of course wolf of course, there are the families of the israeli hostages. we could see 20 to 33 israeli hostages released in a first phase of this agreement, if that framework that we were talking about last week still stands. so again, enormous promise here, for innocent people on both sides of this conflict up, but also a lack of certainty at this stage about whether or not this will actually lead to a final agreement? yeah, very significant developments indeed, israel, of course, would release palestinian prisoners being held in israel as part of this deal. >> if in fact it happens, jeremy standby, we'll go back, get back to you. i want to go to the white house right now. mj lee is standing by momentarily. we're told that john kirby, the national

security council, is press spokesperson, is going to be briefing reporters. there is that still going on? >> that's right, wolf. and actually we've heard from the state department that the us received hamas is response within the last hour or so. so what's happening now is that us officials are going through the details of this framework and the response from hamath before actually responding in any kind of detail. but you're right that the white house press briefing is also set to begin in the next few minutes or so, and that is when we expect to get the first and most fulsome white house reaction to this potentially significant news us officials, of course, have been pushing really hard for a number of months now for all of the parties to get to some sort of agreement on a temporary ceasefire and a hostages released deal. we saw over the weekend, cia director bill burns was in the region and he actually ended up staying in doha longer than initially was expected to try to push on this

deal. and as jeremy mentioned, according to a diplomatic source telling are becky anderson so in both bill burns and the qatari prime minister played significant roles along with other mediators and really putting the pressure on hamas to accept this framework. but i do think until we have gotten that official response from the israelis, noting really a sense of caution here is really important. just given that in the month of reporting on these ongoing negotiations, we have had other moments like this of real optimism, where we appear to be on the brink of a potential deal. and then for whatever reason that deal has fallen apart. and in fact, you know, coming out of this weekend, it did appear that we were actually quite our from anything materializing out of the ongoing talks that we saw over the weekend. i just think all of that gives you a sense of how up and down these ongoing negotiations have been. i should also remind our viewers that of course president biden and prime

minister netanyahu spoke earlier today. and of course, these ongoing talks was one of the topic that the two liters discuss, as has been the case for all of their recent phone calls. so again, we'll see what the white house's official responses to this news that hamas has accepted this latest framework and whether they believed that the israelis would accept this deal as well, wolf i was there any official white house readout on the phone conversation between president biden and prime minister. anytime you we have gotten a readout from that conversation. >> and as i said, this ongoing negotiation to try to get to a temporary ceasefire in hostages deal. that was one of the issues that was discussed. it also said that the president made clear his views on a rafah operation. that of course is a reference to how much us officials have cautioned. they're israeli counterparts in recent weeks that it would be simply unacceptable to this white house and this administration for the israelis to go ahead with a major

incursion when they do do not think that the many civilians that are in southern gaza can be properly protected. they also discussed a number of other topics, including the issue of humanitarian aid. so a number of important topics were discussed, but we know again that this framework, this agreement that appears that hamas appears to have agreed to. this was one of the overarching topics at the two litres did discuss earlier today, wolf, very interesting mj lee's our senior white house correspondent. you're getting ready to go to that briefing, will monitor it. of course, here what john kirby has to say from the national security council, mj. thank you very, very much. want to go back to briana in new york, riana and woolf obviously to mj is point the backdrop for all of this is what we're seeing happen in rafah. >> the idea, the idf issuing an evacuation order for eastern raffa, what has been a long delayed offensive there. and it is raised questions about

whether israel is prepared to go ahead with that. certainly hamas has an interest in at least trying to delay that if not, stopped that. and that is very much the possibility we've seen that disgust asked about at the state department briefing, at least c as well at the white house briefing, let's bring in cnn chief national security correspondent alex marquardt. alex, what are you hearing will briana hamas also has an interest in making it look like israel is rejecting a deal for the past few weeks. >> what we've heard over and over again from us officials is that the ball isn't hamas cord. it is on them to accept what it's been called an extraordinarily generous offer that israel was on board with. and so we hope to get a lot more details from john kirby at the white house and just a few moments, we didn't really learn much of anything from matt miller at the state department. the state department spokesman, except that they had gotten this response and that they were reviewing it. and the big question for me, briana and i've been covering this for months now. the ins and outs of

what this deal could look like is what does it look like in the later phases of an agreement? so the questions to john kirby should essentially be, did hamas is hamas still insisting? that israel discuss an end to this war and the withdrawal of the idf from the gaza strip. the first phase of this agreement is generally pretty well laid out and it appears that both israel and hamas of all but agreed to what that first phase would look like and that would be some 33 israeli hostages who would be released in exchange for hundreds of palate justinian prisoners and goblins and the southern part of the gaza strip would get to go back home to the north in an unrestricted way. so that's appears to be rather settled and that's why the us has said that this was a generous offer because israel has agreed to fewer hostages and they've agreed to allow those palestinians to go home but briana, where it gets really complicated and where the major sticking point has been for a long, long time is in the second and third phases because hamas is insisting that

israel start talking about ending this war and pulling back their troops. and israel has rejected that. we heard yesterday from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who mentioned just this and said the state of israel cannot accept this. so back to jeremy's point, it really remains to be seen what hamas has agreed to tonight. and is this a ploy by them to be able to say, well, look israel is rejecting this deal. this is on them. but we really just don't have a sense of exactly what it is hamas has agreed to. this is what we're asking all of our sources right now, brianna yeah if israel has proposed abc and hamas is accepting a yz than we can see there obviously are quite quite a big area that does not overlap here. >> and alex were a weighting that that is what us officials & officials in the region are going through, alex. thank you so much for that great reporting. >> we are awaiting the white house press briefing. >> we're going to bring that

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top of the breaking news coming out of the middle east, hamas, accepting a ceasefire proposal, we're expecting to hear directly from the white house at any moment you're looking at the white house briefing room right there, john kirby, national security council's oppress spokesperson, is going to be briefing reporters. we'll have live coverage standby for that. but at the meantime, i want to turn back to the legal drama dramatically. they'll drama unfolding once you get in new york city, it's week four of donald trump's historic hush money criminal trial. let's discuss with my pamela's here and we just learned eleia. there's a new witness. they've wrapped up the testimony from jeffrey mecole, the trump organization controller, and now they've just announced a new witness. >> so this makes perfect sense because this is a natural continuation of this morning's testimony, which came from geoffrey mcglone, who essentially was the number two accountant, more or less in the trump organization under allen weisberg. now this is essentially the number three person, ms tarasoff it's important to deborah tarasoff, right? it's important to keep

in mind throughout the trump organization was a small operation. they have a lot of employees out of their golf clubs and hotels. but in terms of who ran the corporate side of it, it's really just a dozen or so people. now, there was an important moment that geoffrey mcglone testifying about this morning. he sent an email at one point to the witness who's taking the stand ms tarasoff, where he wrote to her quote please pay from the trust post to legal expenses. >> i'll say that again post to legal expenses. and that's really the heart of the alleged crime here that this was actually reimbursement for the stormy daniel's hush money but donald trump, they are you artificially said we're going to call this legal expenses. i think the testimony this morning was effective in providing a building block. here's how the accounting works. what's still missing though, is that direct link? to donald j. trump where we're just getting word in that. one of the district attorney's district attorney, christopher conroy. it's just said while they were generated by capital one they were produced by the trump organization from their

records. what does that say to you? >> well, i think and this is just to pick up on the point that we had made.& let's look at not just this morning's testimony, but the testimony we saw over the last week what prosecutors appear to have done is lay out this theory with respect to the 2016 election and the noting that the trump organization and individuals and sayyed we're aware of the hysteria about 20:16. and how how donald trump might have behave in response to what today's testimony has sent up. number one, that money was moved. number two, that these were not legal expenses. and number three, and i think what i think they hope to get to is that some of these things were direct did by the former president. and so this is important testimony. i think it makes across as boring in the sense that it's going to deal with financial records and how money was moved. but this is critical for establishing what they need to establish, which is that these payments were falsified. >> well, this is what we mean

by this being a paperwork case and the these are the people that can actually testify to how that paperwork was conducted and who was directing that paperwork to be conducted as it was. >> and the critical point that i hear here from our legal experts, what was that? nobody has yet directly connected the defendant in this case. the former president of the united states, to these actions and that is going to be a big question that hangs over this jury as the prosecution moves forward with its case, she was just a vehicle she was asked in february of 2017 to get these checks and send the checks terrorism? >> yes. deb terrazzo to send them to michael cohen as a reimbursement for legal services so she's just the vehicle for doing it. i think what we haven't seen really is solid proof that donald trump

was the architect of all of this. and so what we see the defense lawyers talking about is how it was chaos in 2017, once donald trump got to the white house you know, it became chaotic at the trump org. so the question is, was it chaos? >> or was there really a conspiracy that was led by even then president the united states, donald trump. >> you do have his canceled checks you do know that this came from his personal account. most of these reimbursements to michael to michael cohen. so the question is, is that enough? well, or does there need to be for some of this depends on all of this depends on michael cohen's testimony. and it remains to be seen what he will say now, at least in the testimony this morning, there was some insinuation is made such that one was there was some other money. >> he which is michael cohen, was owed. right. and they are it is clear that there are at least attempting to establish that everyone on all sides knew

what they intended to do with the money and what it was. but the boards that are missing are donald trump said so now again, you don't need the donald trump's explicit statement that he is engaging in a particular act insinuation is enough if there's enough of it and what remains to be seen as what the rest of the testimony, particularly from michael cohen says to glory as play as we see the jury is being brought in. now, the dispute that was happening moments ago was over those canceled checks. there's a little bit of a technical dispute about are they authentic or not? they're going to come in the jury's, you're going to see them. the short answer i think about those checks, some of which were signed by donald trump, not others. the ones that came out of me in the oval office. >> this that's very important evidence for the prosecution. >> it's not game over, right? there could be many reasons, and i think what the defense has been building is a defense here that michael cohen just saw well, the opportunity to enrich himself and he set up this structure and all donald trump knew was, hey, you owe money to your lawyer fine. i who do i sign the check to so

they're trying to build a sort of a wall between his knowledge of the accounting structures that we heard about this morning and sort of who was actually executing. he's trying to say that was happening way down in the weeds his, way up here and just to add, we know from testimony in this trial and from covering donald trump here's you just don't money to your lawyer fine is not usually the response that just gets paid he's in the weeds on this stuff. he wants to understand how much is being paid for what purpose does this bill relate to me? we know lots of lawyers in his order but who are still waiting to get paid for work that they believe they're owed money for so that's also a piece of this story that the prosecution team is trying to incorporate that we've learned about trump over the years, not just recently as it when it comes to money, he wants to be involved in every nickel and dime yeah. >> i mean, that argument goes both ways. that's one argument. the way david frehse, he wouldn't would never part with a dime that he didn't know exactly what it's for. i think the counterpoint the defense is

going to make is why would he knowingly reimburse michael cohen who had laid out $130,000. why would he knowingly reimburse michael cohen for $420,000 and essentially they're going to argue that he was duped by his own internal apparatus, by his own leuser. >> well, that weissberg laid out a plan and said okay stormy daniels was $130,000. we're gonna double that because of tax reasons. we're going to put a bonus in there for michael cone, which he believes he is owed, and then some other some other stuff was thrown in. it's not like donald trump to understand that he owes someone 130,000 and then pay them 420,000. that is a bit out of character. but again, what we are imposing is what we know of donald trump, the individual, which makes total common sense to everyone here and probably many people. but that wasn't jury, but not to a jury. and some of that's not going to be relevant when and when i say relevant, i don't mean common sense relevant relevance in the eyes of the law where it seeks to prove or disprove the jury is now back in the courtroom.

the prosecutor, christopher conroy, has called the deborah tarasoff, a former accountant from the trump organization and testified, we're monitoring all of that. everybody standby much more of our special coverage of the donald trump hush money case. that's coming up by just ahead. we're also waiting to hear directly from the white house. look, you live pictures from the white house briefing room expected to hear from the national security council press spokesperson, john kirby is getting ready to brief this let me jump here. she's walking in. i think she's going to probably introduce john kirby to brief the reporters on this so-called hamas ceasefire deal. well, we'll monitor this. let's listen in to careen job here right now. >> kirby, who will share more updates in the region everybody as green noted, there has been a response from hamas to the hostage deal we're currently reviewing that response. and

we're discussing it with our partners in the region. director burns, as you know, is there and he's working this in real time on ground. i won't be able to comment any further on this until we know where things stand. i hope you can understand that i know everybody is curious about what's in this response with these really section into two it is, i'm just not going to get ahead of the process. we want to get these hostages out. we want to get a ceasefire in place for six weeks. we want to increase monetary assistance and the last thing that i wanted i do is say anything at this podium, it's going to put that process at risk goddess, as we said before, we still believed that reaching an agreement is the absolute best outcome, not only for that the hostages, but for the palestinian people. and we're not going to stop working to that outcome. >> now, as you know, the president talked with prime minister di and yahoo this morning, call lasted about 30 minutes and was constructed. >> the president reaffirmed his message on yamaha shoah holocaust remembrance de the two litres discussed the shared commitment of israel, united states. remember the 6 million

jews who were systematically targeted and slaughtered& knowledge one of the darkest chapters in human history. and to forcefully act against anti-semitism& all forms of hate fueled violence. of course, the two leaders spoke about but our efforts to secure the hostages deal, including through these ongoing talks today, during the call at the president's urging, prime minister netanyahu agreed to ensure that the karan crossing is back open for humanitarian assistance for those in need i also want to take a moment to address the latest reports. now, out of rafah, which was also a topic discussion on the call. i'll reiterate again that we cannot and we will not speak for idf operations. but we've made clear our views who's about operations in raffa that could potentially put more than 1 million innocent people at greater risk during this call with prime minister netanyahu, the president, again made this clear he also made clear but we continue to believe that the hostage deal is the best way to avoid that sort of an outcome while securing the release of

those hostages. and as i said, those conversations continue. i just one more thing. president biden hosted his majesty king abdullah, the second of jordan for lunch at the white house that probably wrapped up here just recently. they discussed the strong partnership between the united states and jordan. they also spoke about the situation in gaza. of course, including efforts to secure the hostage deal. and to get more monetary and assistance into the civilians of gaza. >> and we're going to have a more detailed readout of that conversation here very, very soon. >> just don't have it right now, but you'll be seeing it shortly. get to me you can tell which proposal that hamas, except i'm not going to get into that. >> steve is the issue over how long a cease fire was. >> again, you're asking me for the parameters around the response and the deal itself. and i'm just not going to do that. >> lastly, israel has cold on people refer to vacua is, does that pretty say to full-scale assault. what do we see?

>> as i said in my opening statement, i'm not going to speak for idf operations or their military intentions and plans. they should be the ones to answer those kinds of questions. what i can only reiterate is that we've been consistent and the president was consistent. again, this morning that we don't support ground operations and raffa that would put the majority or even any celina there at any greater risk. we want to see their safety and security allowed for foreign factored in noting here caveats at the top or you email to say whether hamas was agreeing to something that had been discussed over the last several days again, without getting into the details of it. >> and director burns is still talking to partners about this there have been ongoing negotiations and talks here for weeks and the director traveled recently to see if we can't bring this thing home and again, without speaking about

the details of the response by hamas, i think it's safe to conclude that that response came as a result or at the end of these continued discussions that director burns was part of, why do you think you have a better sense of what is happening? when will you get read out from director birth later today? early the president has been briefed on on the response. >> he's aware of where the situation where the process is what you're asking me is like when are we going to get like a final what did the final we have table slap here. >> there is a there's a process that has that has been worked in the past. and will we work this time you get a response by hamas. we're going to have to all your weight that we're going to see what's in it certainly, the israelis get it must have a chance to look at this and to evaluate it. and director burns, as as we speak literally as you want are talking, are having these conversations with partners in the region it would be great. i'm sure we'd all like to have an answer as soon as possible, but i just want to get her that process up on a bleed out.

>> when do you expect? collect shalom quasi to reopened or is it already building? >> it should be opened very resume prime minister nine, you committed to opening on the call this morning, so at 2:30, is it open? i don't know. but he assured the president that it would be reopened. >> it had been closed for several days. and one more abyssinian, the kd executive director of the world r& said over the weekend i got that isn't a quote for is that the assessment of the us government, you and is not declared a famine in gaza writ large, but i don't want to understate the degree of need here and the the dire situation that so many people in guys are in, particularly with respect to food and water. so it is not a great situation clearly, and that's why again, we're working so hard to get if this deal in place so we can keep that humanitarian assistance up at a higher level i understand you want to get into the specifics here, but is it your understanding that this is a mass's final ofir they're still room to negotiate here. i

think it's going to depend on our evaluation and the israelis evaluation of the response and where we go from here. >> and fdi budget these relays are already morning people two evacuating gaza if they do go through with this operation, is the us willing to consider putting limits or conditions on it? israel i won't get ahead of where we are right? >> now marrying the process here and i'm certainly not going to speak to hypothetical operations that haven't happened yet. i think we just have to see what transpires. the president was very direct and consistently. so this morning that we don't want to see major ground operations in raffa, put these people at greater risk, but a month ago, the administration did make clear that the us would change its approach try israel didn't take significant steps to address the humanitarian crisis. >> that's just that still hold, is it possible to be was could change course it will manage carrion process, isn't of course, we always know, we always have the right to adjust our policies as appropriate, and that has not changed? no. every really an operation in

raffa would jeopardize steps to address the military. >> all i can say is we've been very redirect and very consistent and our views of concerns about operations and offer does the us currently have any sense of whether israel is inclined? >> and/or not inclined this dino i won't speak for these rails won the president and the prime minister spoke earlier today, was this specific framework? disgust and to the president encouraged for pressure on the prime minister to accept this right? >> you're talking about the what what hamas says a responded to. so just just so you have the tiktok here when they were talking this morning we did not have news that hamas had responded. so that news broke after the call that said, as i mentioned in my opening statement, of course, they talked about the hostage one of getting it secure. >> so you were saying when the two liters folk, hamas had not yet, it would be yeah, would

not have specifically after prime minister sure. to correct potentially wrong for you to conclude that the call this morning was about having the israelis except the hamas response to hamas response hadn't happened yet. >> broadly encouraged the prime minister to get yes. to some sort of deal he, as he has consistently, would premised are urged that we get this deal secured, but it wasn't it wasn't a pressure call, wasn't about twisting his arm towards a certain set of parameters director burns is in the region having these conversations with the israelis, the khader egyptians, as, again, as we speak, and that's the forum for working out the parameters of it. >> but the president clearly talked to the apprentice or about the importance of getting a deal done? yeah. >> what is the president's position on a limited operation is rafah i think i don't think i can answer any differently than i did with mary. >> we've been very clear that we don't support a major ground

operation or rafah operations in general that put at greater risk. the more than 1 million people that are sheltering there the question right now is a hypothetical. i mean, we're aware they drop leaflets, were aware that there there wanted people to evacuate. i let them speak to their operations and to their intense intentions. nothing has changed about where we are with respect to operations and raffa that could put those people at greater risk, right? >> you know that they are asking people in the area to the vacua in the pot possibility of a limited prama operations on the table. so i'm asking, does the president believe that israel could execute a limited operation and to raffa while adequately protecting the lives of civilians. >> there president doesn't want the operations and raffa that put at greater risk the more than 1 million people that are seeking referee refugee, they're support, a limited operation if i think i've answered the question francesca picking up on the timeline. so prior to the law saying that they accepted this proposal, what as you understood them to

be where the stick in place for either hamas or there's really is in the deal that happened on the table. >> i'm not going to get into that. >> okay. did it involves raffa anyway i'm not going to talk about the parameters of the proposal that was worked before this hamas response. >> and i'm certainly not going to talk about the response rate now i mean, i do understand the curiosity and you guys are all asking exactly the right questions. all very fair but i really do hope you understand that the last thing i would ever want to do from this podium as say, something that could put this very sensitive process at greater risk. we are at a critical stage right now. we got a response from hamas. now, director burns is working through that, trying to assess it, working with the israelis i mean, my goodness, folks, i don't know that it gets any more sensitive than right now. and the worst thing that we can do is start speculating about what's in it. >> and when we're thinking around what was your understanding why this real we're only evacuating part of raffa at this time. >> you'd have to talk to the israelis thanks, thanks.

>> out. you've previously said several times that the ball is in the core of hamas. previous stages of negotiations, would it be fair to say now that the ball is in israel's chord, it's going to depend on what the response actually says and the commerce sessions that we have with the israelis about what where we go from here he said the us is reviewing the response and discussing with various partners in the region, the hamas response, he wouldn't go into more details than that. >> he did say that president biden had what he called a construct 30 minute phone conversation earlier in the day with the israeli prime minister

benjamin, the time the hour that was before he said that was before the hamas response saying they've accepted a ceasefire deal. he also made it clear that the us continues to oppose any any israeli ground operation, military ground operation in rafah, given the fact there are a hundreds of thousands of people there who could be endangered by that. the president opposes a ground operation and raffa he said, and finally, he said that israel has reopened what's called the karen shalom opening, allowing food as humanitarian supplies to come back into gaza, which he says is it's very, very significant. and he added these words at the very end. he said, we are at a critical stage right now. we are at a critical stage right now. and he didn't want to say anything that potentially could undermine the possibility of a ceasefire deal that would allow israeli hostages to go home, would allow palestinian prisoners to be, freed by israel and would allow greater humanitarian opportunities for the people in

gaza right now. so you didn't want to get it to a whole lot of details, but that was john kirby, the spokesperson for the national security council will continue to monitor this briefing, share it with you. we're going to be much more on all of the breaking news, much more on the special average of the trump hush money trial in new york right after a quick break missing out on the things you love because of asthma get back to better breathing thank with for sandra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every eight weeks to sandra is not presented. >> breathing problems or other us insular conditions, allergic reactions may occur don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor, tell your doctor if your asna headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection step

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to cnn special coverage of former president trump's criminal hush money trial in new york. testimony resume just a short time ago, deborah terrorists off the accounts payable supervisor in the trump organizations accounting department is now on the stan and joining us now is former trump white house communications director mike dub key. he is a founding partner of the black rock group and mica i just want to let our viewers know that terrorists off right now going through the process of how trump would sign checks, she obviously knows the nitty-gritty of that, but today marks the beginning. think of this fourth week of trump's hush money trials so far i wonder if you think the trials helping or hurting him politically. >> well i think it's helping him politically in the sense that the world, at least the political world in the united states is focused on donald trump every day they don't need the campaign does not need to manufacturer rallies or events in order to get him on

television in front of the press on the one hand, that's great. on the other hand, it's also a negative and that it is a turning the candidate into a one issue pony, rather than being able to talk about immigration or taxes or unemployment, or inflation, or attack the biden administration for any number of things. we are focused on this trial. and so probably at the end of the de it may be a wash but he definitely is getting the majority of attention court opened today with the judge wander shine finding trump and content i'm for the 10th time for violations of the gag order. >> that's in place for sean said that while incarceration is truly the last resort, he said going forward, this court will have to consider a jail sanction. how do you think trump supporters would react if there was jail time for him and do you think that he would be trump at all deterred by this threat?

>> i doubt that the president, president trump would be deterred by the thread. i mean, hit the reason he is i don't think this is a cat and mouse game with the judge for president trump. i think he feels aggrieved and i believe him when he says that he feels like he has to stand his ground and fight back. that said, i don't think trump's supporters would take it in any positive fashion to have the president incarcerated for any period of time. >> and i also find it very that would be a very difficult decision for the judge. >> and even if we weren't talking about donald trump, but we're just talking about any x president in a high profile trial to incarcerate somebody for things that they say on trump's social twitter, whatever it may be that seems like a pretty far step i'd be very surprised if the judge did that i wonder i remember

speaking to someone in particular close to trump, who had said during the impeachment process that they had been glad not to take a role in the first trunk term and that they actually thought there might be legal proceedings and they sort of foresaw that that could be a considerable i guess investment of time and fence and i wonder if you think this parade of former trump employees going to the witness stand. >> we saw hope hicks, obviously, a late last week do you think that deters folks from working for the former president in a hypothetical second term. >> i think anytime somebody can considers government service unfortunately, in this day and age they have to consider going through the all of the ethics scrutiny that is part and parcel the forms that one needs to fill out all of this is it is a mind-numbing exercise to

decide that you want to serve your country. and that's just on a good day. to your point of serving with president trump yes, you have to take that into consideration whether or not you're going to have to have an outside counsel at some point in your during your service or post service timeframe? it is a deterrent, but there are so many other deterrence that are also for the good, for the good people that step up both in the republican and the democratic administrations. there is a lot that goes into making a decision to serve yeah. >> there's certainly is even as you said, on the best of days, mike, great to have you, mike. we thank you. >> all right. thank you. >> we're back now with a fill mattingly to talk a little bit about what we're watching here. deborah terrace off who's in accounts payable? there that's really the point

that we're at. we're talking about checks being cut it throughout like just the daily to-do of the trump organization? >> but what is it that she can testify to that her boss mccartney earlier today could not testify before, and i can tell and your tone. >> you may have been in this place before you think the accounts payable person is not necessary? certainly the person that i want to be paying attention to if i'm trying to follow what i was saying, fill it pick that. >> you're putting down there, briana. >> here's why it matters in this. tracks get closer to what we heard earlier in the testimony this morning from other trump organization employee, former demonstrators officer, current employee. and what she was doing was quite literally receiving receiving approved invoice entering it into the trump organization system, then cutting the check and having it signed in describing this process is important because what was the huge gap that we heard? this morning ceremony? there was no explicit link to former president trump. >> there was no interaction that happened. >> there's no documentation

that happened where anybody could prove that donald trump knew exactly what was going on. it was very clear, i think in the testimony this morning, what was going on as they laid out the foundational elements, the kind of brick by brick of how the check was written, why? it was written to michael cohen. and very clearly that it was not illegal retainer what fifth terrace off is making clear is donald trump had his hands and everything testifying just short while ago as two 11 15. any invoice over $10,000 had to be approved by donald trump when she approved and cut the chat or got the approved invoice and cupp check, she would hand it to run a graph. obviously, the longtime very close it's assistance at all jump who would take it into trump's office and trump would sign it. lets all of the checks that were coming out from his account, there's a stamps, so just them my hand, you want to know how she knew that he was signed? thank them by hand because they were done in a black sharpie, which anybody who covered the white house or who's dealt with foul trouble, or who's gotten a note from donald trump on an article they've written or anything of the kind of the course, the less over years knows he uses black sharpie. in fact, even trump's lawyers laughed at the idea, are at the testimony that

he uses blackstuff. you see it right there. everybody is pretty familiar with the signature at this point in time. but making very clear that he was deeply involved, making very clear that he was signing these checks that he had to approve anything over $10,000 and also making very clear that he didn't just sign off on everything like a rubber stamp or or figurative rubber stamp. there were times where he would get checks, you would get invoices and he would write void on the checks and send them back even if lysol burger it's obviously very well-documented, have very closely. monitored and cared about his finances, what he was spending, what the invoice is actually said, she's not making that point once again, on these so the issues is that the link because one of the issues that we've seen is where is the link between the arrangement? and donald trump. and is it only going to be michael cohen providing that link? is this a link or no is there an explicit link? >> i don't think there's any question with the answer is no. when it comes to that, she doesn't have she's never seen donald trump on these specific documents that were

problematic. the actual basis of the allegations have been brought up the case that has been brought here. she did not see him sign and the check. she did not have any access to the communication. she said she saw the form of present quite often, but didn't have direct business dealings with him. again, what you're seeing, i think eliot and eleia do really good job laying this out earlier they are building the case around donald trump to this point, whether or not the jury, you thinks that that's enough, you can make a case off what they're laying right now. if 12 people agree that it they think it's very clear that must have because he how we operated in sayyed the trump organization is the way he couldn't have known what was actually happening here but the reality remains the same as it has been for week. we are driving to a point where it seems like the only person with direct knowledge first-hand knowledge which of donald trump's explicit knowledge of what happened in explicit direction microphone what is the consensus right now of how the prosecution is? telling a story that is really checking off all the boxes and there are

several of what they have to convince the jiri of in order to find donald trump guilty i think it's mixed in the sense of the i would say mixed because the defense team has certainly had good days and i'm think there's been any question about that. >> there have been several cross-examination where i think the defense got what they needed in terms of raising doubt about donald trump's direct involvement, raising doubt about whether or not he knew or whether or not he signed off on or, hey, even if you signed off on all this it might not be illegal in the first place given how charges are actually structured here what i think is most interesting coming into this week, having covered every week of this up to this point, is how you're certainly get a sense of how they're telling the story so much of last week, obviously almost all of last week was about why the election, madam, why 2016, why the campaign wine november mattered, and why what happened in the weeks leading up to the election were so critical before that, you had the friends of donald trump over and over a course of decades and how they drove the structure of this kind of cd the underbelly of how hush

money payments work now, you're getting a very in the weeds of how the trump organization actually operated. >> they're building the very specific blocks you're to drive towards michael cohen and make very clear that despite everybody agreeing that michael cohen probably not the most reliable witness and certainly not the most liked witness. >> that's right. the spanish so much we've heard that over and over. >> he's credible or he's he's got i've maybe a credibility problem, not well-liked but we'll have to see if this jury finds some credible, at least in this matter, phil. >> thank you so much for taking us through all of that. and when we we come back more vr special coverage of this trial under other breaking news today, which is that hamas is agreed to a ceasefire proposal. we're still waiting to see if israel is going to sign off until this, we're also waiting to see quite frankly what hamas is agreed to. if this resembles what israel had had a hand in crafting last week or if israel is going to push forward with with an offensive and raffa, we have that ahead we're here to

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hush money trial. this is an accounting case at its core and today, jurors are hearing from two people who handled the accounts at the trump world organization right now, deborah terrace off is on the stand and other long time trump employee, wolf we're following all these dramatic developments. >> briana, early during the day, trump's former controller discussed the monthly checks. michael cohen, the president, then president former lawyer and fixer, got from trump's personal account after trump became president. the prosecution says those checks were part of a falsified paper trail to cover up reimbursements for this stormy daniels hush money deal. i want to go to cns elie honig. over the magic well, for us, eleia, take us through what deb terrorists, odd other accountant who worked at trump and the trump organization is talking about now and how it ties back into the testimony from the former trump organization executive jeffrey macaque honey, who also

testified earlier today. >> yeah. well, this case at its core is really about accounting. >> and today the jury is hearing from the key accountants within the trump organization. first, let's understand who these folks are. now. allen isobars was the chief financial officer of the trump arike. he's in prison right now. he will not be testifying, but this morning, the jury heard from next person in line, jeffrey mccartney, who is the comptroller, and now they're hearing from deborah tarasoff, who worked underneath and with geoffrey mcglone. so they're hearing from the inside of the accounting apparatus. now it's important to understand why this matters in the case. the way that the payments to stormy daniel's were made first michael cohen paid stormy daniels $130,000, essentially of his own money. originally, he drew down on his mortgage, paid her, then later and this is where the accountants come in. donald trump's organizations reimbursed michael cohen for way more than that, $420,000. and this is really important to the case it's the prosecution is making they're arguing that it was set up this way

intentionally to misleadingly make it look like attorney's fees. so let's break down. we're now learning how we arrived, how prosecutors arrived at this $420,000 prosecutors have argued that 130,000 of it was to reimburse michael cohen for the payment to stormy day handles. there was another 50,000 to reimburse michael cohen for an outside contractor unrelated to this case prosecutors also alleged that 180,000 extra was paid to michael cohen to cover his tax liability for this one at and then finally, michael cohen was given a $60,000 bonus. that's how they allege this. as $420,000 payment was arrived at. now, there was a really important moment this morning where won the mornings witness emailed the current witness in that email, mr. mecole email deb terrace off and he tells her, quote please pay from the trust post to legal post. illegal is really important because again, the core prosecution theme here is these were actually reimbursements for hush money, but the trump or in people tried to make it

look like legal fees. and one of the ways that the reimbursements happen, of course, we've seen these checks, but there were a series of checks and the prosecution went through them this morning with mcglone issued from trump in the organization to michael cohen, including some of those checks, not all of them, but some of them signed by donald trump. you can see is distinctive handwriting there. jeffrey mcglone actually identify that as donald trump's handwriting. i think we all probably recognize it on cross-examination. the main point that trump's lawyers made to jeffrey mcglone is that he had limited to no contact with donald trump. he was asked, president trump did not ask you to do any of the things that the di described to you and mcglone said he did not. in fact, my connie said he did not talk to trump at all in 2016, 17, or 18. so woolf, as always, the key here is linking what was happening in the accounting department all the way up the chain to donald trump. that's what prosecutors are trying to establish here and defense, there's of course, are trying to say donald trump was operating up in the clouds. he wasn't involved in the nuances here and maybe get a little

complicated, but it's very, very significant in this case, eleia, thank you very much. let's talk a little bit more about some of the key moments from today's, earlier testimony, joy joining us now, trial consultant richard gabriel richard, thanks so much for joining us court was dramatic, right from the start today with judge merchan finding the former president in contempt for violating the gag order. once again, for a tenth time, he opposed another thousand dollars fine on trump and even threatened to send them to jail. jail if he violate the violent let's continue. so first of all, what's your reaction to that well, i mean, the it's this huge struggle and he, donald trump has consistently says, said that he does not even think he should be cortellessa in any way of saying about anything. >> and the truth is, you don't tom trump has been pushing the boundaries about whether you can record ignites is the rule of law. he feels somewhat accurately that he's in contempt of the court. so i

think it's an interesting dynamic here where the defendant, which most defendants obviously come into court, with some of this deference to the authority of the court donald trump doesn't feel that at all so it's this struggle and i think it really is going to play out depending upon whether he gets on the stand to testify. >> the trump organization controller, the accountant, geoff mecole. explain the nuts and bolts of that $420,000 dollars and payments to michael cohn, but he also testified that trump didn't ask him directly directly to arrange those alleged reimbursements. how is the juror jury likely to respond to that well well, this is really the piece-by-piece brick by brick, chain by chain kind of unexciting al capone building of a case in which they're really just linking everything together here. >> it's kinda like a jigsaw puzzle where they're just trying to put pieces together to really create a picture for

the jiri. i think there's clearly a theme that the prosecution is going for, which is trump is involved. he has knowledge about everything. he has control over everything. and i think the obviously the defense is trying to lay foundations saying, look, this is the during the middle of a campaign, and this is not really what he's what he's focused on at all. and i think one of the key pieces today also was that there was a lot of chaos in the 2017 period when he actually when these recordings are made. and so that he really doesn't aware of this. but the problem here is that trump is very controlling and you have to financial people on this jiri who are also looking very carefully at the financial aspects. there's they're very clearly keyed into this. you see jurors taking notes on this. they're tracking this evidence very clearly. >> good point. macartney, the trump organization accountant controller described the chaotic inner workings of the trump organization after the former president took office, in terms of handling the

accounting procedures what's your takeaway from that? >> well i mean it really has to do with it is the building blocks. i mean, obviously the defense in various points is going to go the connection is not made here. so i mean, these accounting procedures obviously have to have resonance, especially for the financial people and also for the lawyers. we've got two lawyers on this sorry remember, got to lawyers to financial people to engineers. so very smart, jiri really trying to put this, these pieces together here and trying to kind of go okay, what is the hierarchy? what is the structure of this organization who's aware of what and who is responsible for what. and i think debra tarasoff just said, look down, trump is not going to sign a check that he doesn't approve of any voids chips, checks periodically. so there's a lot that's being built up by the prosecution especially about even though it's a lot of chaos is a big organization. there still is a

lot of control on top by donald trump very important developments indeed. richard gabriel, thank you so much for joining us thank you. i'm brianna back to you well, some breaking news just into cnn, we're learning that an american soldier was arrested in russia last week on suspicion of theft.& that that soldier is now being detained. >> this is something that we've learned from two us officials. let's go to cns and torture bertrand and pentagon. natasha, tell us what you're learning yeah, briana, not much more than that, unfortunately, but we are learning. >> is that an american soldier who was stationed in south korea traveled to russia up his own volition where he was arrested on may 2 by russian authorities on suspicion of theft. now we don't know exactly what the circumstance and says of that arrest. we're all we know at this point is that he is currently being detained in pretrial detention until at least july 1st, according to two us officials now, the us embassy in moscow,

they are trying to get consular access to this american soldier. and we're told that his family has been made aware of his detention. furthermore, the white house well said just moments ago, but they're also aware of the case, but they referred of course, questions to the department of defense here for any additional information. now, obviously this is a very, very sensitive moment for us russia relations particularly when it comes to those hostage negotiations. there are several hostages that the us has deemed wrongfully detained americans being held in russia currently, of course, including evan girish go and paul whalen. and so russia now has added, it seems yet another detainee to that list of americans that the united states is going to have to determine whether or not this individual was wrongfully detained and take the appropriate steps from there to try to get him back. but of course, this is not welcome news for anyone here in the who've been trying so hard as is to try to get the americans who are already in the russian prison system back home. riana

all right. >> and the tosca will continue to follow that story. thank you for the latest there. and in the meantime, testimony continuing in donald trump's hush money trial, here are new you're more of what is coming out that courtroom. when are special coverage continues how we'd really happy with jesse, you, martin, sunday's at night on cnn. nasher moves fast. >> so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level with a custom private five g network, we get more control of production, efficiencies and greater agility. >> that's enterprise intelligence. >> it's your vision, it's your verizon from meat free monday to sunday so many. >> ways to save life ready while it happy but 3605 by whole foods market sharban water, i don't feel as clean. >> your charmin ultra strong my

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us and elie honig, let me ask you, what's your reaction to her testimony so far? >> well, it seems like it's useful to the jury in the sense that it's explanatory and a lot of the jury has to understand the accounting mechanisms taryn, if they're going to get to a conviction. >> and i think if you take the morning's testimony from mr. mcglone confined with deborah terrorists. if you think it's quite clear how they structure these payments that they intentionally repaid michael cohen, three plus times the amount that he laid out. the question two questions are one, why did they overpay him that much in two and two? to what extent can they impute that to donald trump? to what extent was donald trump aware of this specific mechanism? who came up with it by the way, i think it's i think it will emerge that this was michael cohen's idea to structure it this way. the question though is, did donald trump know about it and bless it? >> well what was also interesting about her testimony is that she shows you how the ledger entries were made my connie talked about the invoices she takes you another step and talks about how they

used to send via fedex the checks to be signed to the white house where donald trump would sign these checks and they would be then returned. so it really, it really takes it into the, into the white house potentially into the oval office we're donald trump with his sharpie was signing these checks, even as he was president of the united states. >> although there's nothing that i understand in the case that is char he's not charged with any thing as it relates to his job as president of the united states. the case is purely about what he was doing as a candidate for president of the united states, even though these payments came once, he was in strict campaign finance, exactly. there's no doubt about that. well, what is so intriguing to me. i just listening to you start this segment loads like we're now into the portion of this trial of the accounts payable supervisor. i mean, what we are not in the land of big corporate america we are in the

land of a family business a small shop no offense. >> mr. president, i don't mean small that you didn't make money here. i'm just saying it was an intimate affair. so when you learn like the check was stapled to the top of the invoice and that's how mr. trump liked it. and then he would sign in the sharpie at that. this is not being processed through some massive accounts payable department here, we heard today from the two people basically responsible and the trump organization for getting bills pay. and even after he became president, he didn't give up that authority to sign checks, which is kind of remarkable. >> i mean, we know that eric trump was involved in running the business, but but anything over $10,000 had to have the approval of donald trump and eric trump. and there he was as president of the united states, still involved in running this small enterprise. you know, i mean, yes, they made a lot of money, but it was a small family business and he didn't

give it up. >> i'm still confused. i still don't understand if a michael cohn gave stormy daniels what, $130,000 why was he reimbursed from trump for more than 400 thousands? >> that's an important question in the case. the answer i think that prosecutors would give is this is all part of the scheme they were trying to cover up the one 30 they didn't want a one for what well, michael colored paid stormy one 30, therefore, i'm going to pay michael cohen one 30. prosecutors would say that would be two obvious too easy to track. and so instead, they added this other 50,000 that michael cohen had laid out for something else, legitimate, but something else. they doubled it to cover his taxes. then they gave them a bonus of $60,000 and just to address a really important point and david rate the reason all this matters is because the prosecution's theory as they were trying to hide this because they knew it violated campaign finance laws, because they paint stormy daniels to keep her quiet because of the campaign. they didn't want that known and so they put this whole elaborate accounting mechanism on top of it, which, which it probably michael cohen invented content

because on that audio tape we have donald trump and this was in reference to karen mcdougal, but sort of his inclination was to pay cash just pay cash and get rid of it. and michael cohen had this convoluted plan that this is how i'm going to get reimbursed. and by the way, we're going to win include a bonus for man at which i wasn't paid, which i should have been paid. and i guess donald trump agreed to that. >> we heard dramatic testimony from hope hicks on friday, who worked for many years directly in the trump organization for trump himself? and it was pretty powerful, pretty dramatic when we heard from jeffrey mcglone, the controller today, the accountant was a lot less dramatic but it was important why? >> well, for a number of reasons. >> and again, to make the point that foreign prosecutors can't make enough, not all testimonies going to be dramatic and it's often the nondramatic testimony is where these quote unquote, document cases are built. now, it's important to establish how payments were made and how they

were recorded, and to pick up on a point that david made where you don't have testimony directly linking the former president. well, but what you do have and this is david's point. it's a small business where they're stapling checks to do invoices and so on. and at a certain point it becomes hard to square that the head at the top of the organization is not aware of what these checks are and what they mean now, a bunch of testimony came out, but number one, he signs it reject that his signatures on it, and that these were coded to be as deborah tarasoff and received as legal expenses. now, there's a little bit of a jump that jurors have to make there, but it's not that far of a leap given the kinds of things that we know about this quote, unquote, small businesses, we knew it and we haven't heard from every witness yet, including a big one in the form of michael cohen, who can who at least at the prosecutors get what it sounds like they want from this witness. >> well, this is the way this is where you miss allen weissberg because i know he's at rikers island now and he

he's in prison for perjury. but you know, alan wife's a burge was the person who spoke with donald trump about this and who came up with the payment plan after talking to michael cohen about it. and that wives the bergen trump had a conversation about it, allegedly. and but we're not hearing yslow berg so he's kind he's kind of a missing link here because under donald trump and the way in the way this organization tim was structured was yslow berg. >> there are there are probably a few different ways to establish that something is in somebody's head. one is to get a letter or a statement from that person saying this is in my head at this point another is to have virtually every employee of his organization saying again and again and again, this person knew everything that came in and came out. number two, this person knows about what the finances of the organization are. number three, this person signature is on everything at a certain point. it defies reason for it could defy reason for jurors i do think that this person did not know what was

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news coverage of former president trump's hush money criminal trial, the prosecution is now questioning deborah tarasoff, who works in the trump organizations accounting department. >> and let's talk about this now. a cnn chief domestic correspondence fill mattingly as well as cnn legal analysts karen friedman egg niccolo, who we should note is of council for affirm that represents michael cohen. she has no contact with cohen, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what she can say about this case, but we were just talking in the break here. karan, that think some of what is happening today kind of crystallises the way prosecutors are really building this case against all from yeah, this is a methodical building at brick hi, brick by brick. and the entire case depends on each witness. there's not one witness that has testified yet that he can say this was the whole thing. but that remains to be what michael cohen is going to

provide. but what they're really trying to do is build every little piece of this so that by the time it gets to michael cohen, i think everything will be clear and will be in evidence and will be testified to. but it's a little bit frustrating because there is it's like you get, you get right up to the line of donald trump but there's no clear yes. i spoke to donald trump and he told me to do this and i was standing there when he signed it and say, yes, i know what this is and so that's the thing we don't have yet good point. >> i feel like there have been four or five witnesses where, you were following with our great team that's in the room because where you can have cameras in the room which all disagree with where your right up at the line. and i feel like there's been several times you're like, oh, this is going to be nope. >> okay. now, we didn't actually have the direct connection and i think this is the two indices we've had today, trump organization insiders. >> yes, very weeds. the insiders at that when you're talking about the accounting department? hi and accounts payable. >> but very specifically were

involved in the payments to michael cohen in the apparent missed identification of the payments to michael cohen has legal services and the entire structure of the process from a little bit more of a macro standpoint this morning, i've very micro standpoint with the witnesses currently on the stand and yet there is no direct when divert yourself, walk the checks over to rona graph. >> she didn't walk them directly into donald trump's office. she knows that that's down. trump's sharpie and how he signs things. but she didn't witness that and she doesn't know necessarily whether or not she gets say that donald trump specifically knew exactly the check that he was signing, even though he was directly involved in everything that his organization was doing, they always stop just shy of it, leaving one individual this is about telling a story and convinced think a jury. >> there is no way with what all of these witnesses have told them about donald trump did he wouldn't have known this. that he wouldn't have understood the match nations of this arrangement because let's just remind people this isn't

just $130,000. there actually in the totality of the different payouts around this 130 thousand dollars and hush money. there was allegedly $420,000, hard to believe donald trump wouldn't have known about that, is it hard enough to believe for the jury, i guess? that's the question. well, the one thing the prosecution has done a really good job at is proving a crime. >> there's clearly a conspiracy to evade taxes, election having to declare how much donations of an outlet for an election. so it's clear they've proven that there is a crime that occurred good here, michael cohen's guilty of it. alan yc berg has guilty of it and david pecker is part of this conspiracy, at least those three it's not others like dylan howard and a few others getting donald trump into that mix though it's looking more and more like it depends on michael cohen's testimony. but again, we're just still have a

long way to go in the prosecution's case. they just started this week with the falsification of business records, charts purchase last week was much more about the caching kills game and putting that together. so this is the falsification of business records week. so we still have a lot of ways this is to hear from. but so far today it's very much they've proven a crime, just haven't. we don't have that link yet. >> we are looking for that karan and phil. thank you so much to both of you. >> and we are hearing new testimony in former president froms hush money trial here in new york, or special coverage will continue after a quick break. oscar stores was the absolute peak of his celebrity olympic heroes shot i can even murder trial. >> we learned of a much darker individual power would really happen with jesse l. >> martin sunday at nine on cnn reading seven years. yeah,

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a major setback right now for anyone hoping for some of peaceful cease-fire in gaza? >> well, well, if there's no question that the last few hours have been an emotional roller coaster, not only for those who've been closely following this, but of course, four the hundreds of thousands of people in gaza who have been suffering seven months of war and are hoping for a reprieve for the families of the hostages who wants to hug their loved ones and while, as you said, while israel did have significant input into that egyptian framework, it had not agreed to it all together and it's also not clear at this stage whether this hamas response, what they have agreed to, if that is the same framework that was initially submitted to them and now the prime minister's office is saying that the military operation in rafat will continue as these negotiations also play out, we're already getting word from these really military that they have begun to carry out a series of what they are describing as precision strikes on hamas targets in eastern raffa that very same area where just ours

go less than 24 hours ago, about 100,000 civilians were told to begin to evacuate in addition to continuing the operation in raffa, israeli prime minister's office is now saying this about the hamas proposal, saying that it is quote, far from israel's necessary requirements they also say wolf that they will send a quote working level delegation to meet with the mediators. not clear if that's gonna be in doha, qatar, or in cairo, egypt but clearly on the one hand, the israeli government responding to this, what they are characterizing, not as hamas agreeing to the framework, but rather as a hamas proposal they're characterizing that in negative terms, but they are saying that they are going to continue to negotiate, sending this working level delegation to pursue talks further. so it doesn't appear wolf that a deal is imminence that it could come in a matter of hours, but rather that this will be days more of negotiations and whether it heads in a positive direction

or not, still remains to be seen i'm correct me if i'm wrong, where the hostage families were demonstrating in television for a little while ago, were they in favor of israel accepting this hamas accepted deal? absolutely. those protesters who came out tonight in numbers are urging the israeli government to accept the proposal on the table these are the folks of course, who have been demonstrating for weeks, if not months at this point in front of the kerrey, which is the israeli military headquarters in tel aviv, where the israeli work has been meeting urging them to do more to secure the release of their loved one. ones. and now that they see that hamas has agreed to some kind of framework for a deal they want israel to do the same all right, we'll see what's going to happen. >> jeremy diamond in jerusalem for us, jeremy, thank you very much. let's discuss these late breaking developments with the former us defense secretary mark esper mr. secretary, thanks so much for joining us. the prime minister's office has released a statement saying,

and you just heard it. but let me put it up back up at the screen. the word cabinet unanimously decided that israel continues its operation in raffa in order to exert military pressure on hamas, mr. secretary, what do you make of israel's strategy? you right now what i'm not surprised by this outcome, i was surprised when it was first reported that hamas agreed, but immediately two things became suspect. one was that the agreement was made by ismail honeywell, who is based in qatar. he's not the guy making the decisions in gaza. it's yahya sinwar who is somewhere beneath the buildings of a rafah right now hiding out. he's been calling the shots and gaza. so that's number one number two, it was unclear what they agreed to, what hamas agreed to, the big sticking point is the definition of a ceasefire israel, once a temporary ceasefire. and hamas wants a permanent cease fire. why is that? because because once the swap is made for israeli hostages, for palestinian prisoners then hamas gives up

all of its leverage, which is why they've been demanding two things. one, the removal of all israeli troops from gaza and to a permanent cease fire. well, of course, once that happens, that means hamas will rush back into all of gaza once again, regained control and we'll be back to square one. so look, i'm not surprised. i think what happened was this morning, as you know, israel drop the leaflets, warning 100,000 goes to move out of raffa because an attack was imminent. and i think the political leadership of of hamas trying to put the hot potato back into israel's hands said, hey, we agree to this because they wanted the ball put back in israel's cord. that's my complete speculation, will learn more in the coming days, but that's, that's what i suspect happened with as we just reprinted with jeremy diamond we're watching these life protests in tel aviv right now. we're demonstrators are calling on prime minister netid to accept the deal. is he under enormous pressure right

down to accept the deal to allow at least what, 30 or 40 of the remaining israeli hostages to come back home? >> yes, he's under tremendous pressure. i mean, there are two things that the israelis one and it's interesting that they want to accept the deal without nobody really knowing what the deal is the pannun not-knowing. but the two competing pressures in this order are number one, return of all hostages, and number two, the defeat of hamas and those two are in conflict right now. they've been in conflict for months. and i think if you look at polling, polling will play that out, but that's what the israeli public, once it's interesting, the war cabinet unanimously did not agree to the hamas proposal. so look, this is, has been and will be continuing tough issue for israel, for bibi netanyahu in particular, trying to manage the different political dynamics and then on top of that, he has president biden pushing him to do more to let more aid end. we have the report and last 48 hours or so

by the world food program that famine has begun in the north then on top of that, you have the arab states or some discussions about are broader security arrangement between at least the israelis and the saudis. all these are pending and it's putting tremendous pressure on this, on this israeli government. >> and the president biden and his phone conversation with prime minister inside yeah, will earlier today made it clear that the us is strongly opposed israel's moving in on the ground into raffa write-down because it would endanger potentially so many palestinian residents who are sheltering in rafah right down mark esper, thank you. as usual for joining us thanks and stay with cnn are special coverage will continue right after this break trump hush money trial gavel to gavel coverage. >> the weight only cnn can bring it to you. legal insight, expert analysis, and real-time updates, leyen from the court follow the facts, follow the testimony, follows cnn why

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ttac at the white house and this is cnf welcome back to week four of former president trump's historic hush money trial. >> the prosecution's tenth and 11th width mrs. have spent much of today on the witness stand, talk a walking the jiri through the accounting practices at the trump organization. jurors have been shown documents related to reimbursements to trump's former fixer, michael cohen that are at the heart of this case. we're joined now by former nixon white house counseled on di, to talk a little bit more about this john, thanks for mean with us here, i wonder based on the testimonies of the trump 4d controller, jeffrey mccartney and the accounts payable employee, debra terrace off so far, if you think that they have done what the prosecution needs to do, if they have been able to create either eight papers portrayal that leads directly to former president trump, or if they are just able

to make it so unbelievable that trump, a bit of a micromanager financial flee was not involved in all of this briana. >> i think they've done both. i think they have left are very strong paper trail directs the jury to just a few unanswered questions from which they can easily draw inferences. and i think the witnesses have done the same. they've put a big context and a big picture together for the jury and the case is very clear. the picture is very clear. so i'm not quite sure what michael cohen is going to testify thank to or how long they'll need him. and i'm was thinking here is we're reading the chat, it could be disproportionate. he could be on just a short while and they spent a long time because bdm up do you think that prosecutors have been able to show that this was done to the to the end election

interference, that that was the reason why this alleged crime was committed there's no question. they've established that with overwhelming evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, even to those who were not in the courtroom that i've been reading the transcript and it just is coming through this was all about the election hope hicks and saying, for example, that the instructor did not have the newspapers go to the red so that millennia wouldn't see them down and merrill logo when they had the negative stories that doesn't mean anything in that he it does not distract from her testimony where she's had this all happened in the period when the primary issue was the campaign how to protect the campaign from the negative publicity so it's just to me very clear, and i would think it'd be very difficult for any witness not

to see that. excuse me. any juror naaf to see that protecting from negative publicity specifically after the access hollywood debacle and i wonder john, if you are the prosecution, which witness would you call next well, i think that they have to get these mechanical witnesses along the way so the defense can't say there's a gap in the case not a link here. they're so some of this housekeeping testimony needs to get done i think the jury is anticipating that michael cohen is a big witness. they are they don't know if they're going to see stormy or karen mcdougal. so that keeps them interested as they wait and watch for the story unfold yeah, it certainly does. >> we'll have to see who is next after deborah tarasoff, john dean thank you so much for being with us. and an

interesting detail just in from our reporters in the courtroom, trump or employee debra terrace has returned to the standard hold that she tapped eric trump's me as she passed him. remember, she's still works for the former president's son prosecutors are walking her through more invoices. now, and we have some more of our coverage of former president trump's hush money case just ahead, stay with us this is an area where you have never been to before. were now to step out and neat little home in bleeder of the crossbar iyad gang is one of the fbi's ten most wanted the destruction the violence, the deaths that it played out. >> do you take any responsibility for that what is it going to take to bring stability and a future of calm? to this country. >> he only says made mistakes and is not perfect. he blames politicians today, at least gangs home, the power, how far

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witnesses within inside knowledge of the trump organization. they started the day questioning former trump or controller jeffrey mecole, who detail the $420,000 prism payments given to trump's former lawyer, michael cohen wolf and brianna right now, accounts payable supervisor, deborah terrace office testifying. she was asked about a number of emails and invoices including one with her stamp on it and we also heard directly from judge merchan earlier in the de be ruled this morning that the former president had again violated his gag order. this for the 10th time, the judge threatening trump that any further violations potentially could good results in jail time. i'll be back in two hours, 6:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. the lead with jake tapper starts right now