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front next two crucial court >> kill the campaign. the january 6 case after the argument today violent clashes on college campuses. teargas used on protesters as a major university canceled their graduation. let's go out front. two separate court rooms to separate cities at the very same time. cross-examination for the first trial in washington and the supreme court hearing the former

president noted the significance. >> today was a breathtaking day. >> maybe he thought breathtaking. good for him. many moments including a testimony for five hours. it was his third day on the stand. photo shown, this picture you are looking at they use this to show the depth of their relationship and it continued at the white house where packer said. reporter: brough t him. he provided details as well and then ending the day under cross-examination as drop watch with his arms folded across his body.

and at the same time in washington there were three hours of washington over whether trump's claims are immune from prosecution if this can't stop smith's case against him. they want to give him what he want which is another delay in the trial. we will have more coming up more with the former white house attorney but first outside of the courthouse in manhattan. you and i spent a lot of time together today. what do you expect when parker gets back on the stand tomorrow under cross-examination. reporter: weld trial lawyers had about one hour of cross examination with david and in that time he acknowledged it was standard operating procedures for media companies work with politicians. he also testified that he was at the heart of these deals and that he was involved in had many conversations with michael cohen. he served as the narrator taking the jurors inside of these catch

and kill deals and testified repeatedly that he was involved and helped broker them to help donald trump's campaign. >> new details on the hush money payout to adult film star stormy daniels. back on the stand talking about how he brokered a deal in the center of the case against trump. he was questioned by the prosecution about the catch and kill scheme to capture an alleged affair with trump weeks before the 2016 election. the former publisher of the national inquirer testified he found out from his editor-in-chief that daniels was trying to sell a story that she had a sexual relationship and it would cost $120,000 to kill it. tiki said he told michael cole one about the story which he called very damaging. he said he was not going to pay daniel saint's company already

purchased two other negative stories for trump totaling almost $200,000. he said i'm not purchasing this story i will not be involved with the porn star. he said the boss would be furious. trump denies having an affair with daniels. >> mcdougall alleged having nearly a year long relationship with trump which he denied. perker said he would not have entered this if it didn't benefit the campaign. he said he didn't want the story to the bears are hurt the campaign cleared trump's attorney uses saab cross-examining perker to show how the mutually beneficial relationship between he and trump went back almost to dixoxn needs to extract two decades. he said he gave a heads up of the negative stories. he asked if it was sop for media

to work with politicians including to win elections. perker replied, yes. >> today was a breathtaking in this room. amazing testimony. >> before court top trump said this. he cited this to the judge as many violations of the gag order not to discuss witnesses in the case. >> what did you think of perker's testimony so far. >> he has been very nice. he's a nice guy. >> the judge has set a hearing for wednesday to hear additional arguments over whether donald trump did violate that gag order. tomorrow david perker will be back on the stand. trump's lawyers will continue to cross-examine him he could be on the stand for an additional several hours. historically wrapping up this week in the trial.

>> thank you outside of the courtroom in lower manhattan the experts are with us. you work for many years with david perker, and you heard donald trump praising him today. he has attacked everybody else. he praises perker, they are still friends, what do you think is going on here? >> well i think that trump is very smart with people. perker has so much on him that we haven't even scratched the surface and if he has gone after him the way he has gone after their enemies there is a good chance that perker who doesn't want to be cornered, would strike back and say well you say this to me and i will go out with this. so by being nice to him he is putting out the fire before it starts. >> jeremy, when you were in the court room and you watched all of this, perker testified and you watch under direct and cross, and donald trump bridging

the questions to perker, you also were watching the jury during all of this. how captivated where they. how intently where they focus? >> it's interesting, i made a point to make sure was looking at the jury today several points i solve pretty much every time i looked over there they were interested in watching. it was like a tennis match. you could see their faces go back and forth between the person doing the questioning of the person answering. a lot of them had no -- notepads, they were into this testimony. the first witness. this is one of the more exciting witnesses that we will see. the testimony about porn stars and hush money deals and being inside of the white house.e. >> head starting. that is deeply engaged. >> they were certainly paying attention. at least for the most part and keeping track of the action. >> germany, what do you make of that and in the context, you are a former defense attorney and

now he full prosecutor, you have been in these rooms. what did you make up what you saw today. >> i thought it was a decent day for the defense because you have david perker who is the foundation that ties everyone together. this is not the first time we have had the catch and kill events even if that is the first time i've heard the term in this matter. we had arnold schwarzenegger. we had robin. you had some holes and he couldn't remember some dates and times, maybe there is an issue with his memory. he was helpful to a certain extent. the defense, not as bad as michael cohen, he is someone who is not adversarial but could help not just the prosecution, but -- >> and that is why trump felt optimistic. >> right. >> there was one thing david said that was significant and one stood out when we was sitting outside listening when we were watching the school

across the screen, he testifies that at first trump's focus on negative stories which we pointed out, had been about his wife, his daughter, how he was be perceived in his family. but then he said after the campaign started it shifted and it was what the impact would be on the election. and black and white the motive right there. how significant is that one lying. >> i think it is very significant because people thought that this case was going to rest on the credibility of michael cohen and stormy daniels lab their own issues. really what david perker provided was this overall context that this was about the campaign. this was all about helping the campaign and he said over and over again during his testimony they knew that would be a campaign, a federal election violation would be a contribution they would have to declare and he knew they were committing a crime and there was a discussion of a text message

they were trying to get into evidence where david perker number two was saying, well if trump wins he will pardon us because we have committed a federal election -- >> because they knew this was a crime. >> and that text they want in evidence and in dispute is whether will be. jeremy mentioned, as possibly something that could help the defense, one think that perker laid out today he has done similar catch and kill deals further politicians including arnold schwarzenegger, you worked for him when schwarzenegger ran for governor. tell us what you know and how that fits with what we are today. >> there was a lot of noise made that arnold was executive ever before he became governor how involved perker was i don't know but it was originally launched by george, who brought arnold hear from austria in the first

place. he wrote the inside letter like most editors do. but it was a conflict of interest for arnold to be actively involved so he resigned his position at this event that arnold holds every year columbus, ohio which is an event of bodybuilding. then perker came on stage. i introduced him. he comes on stage and he is a showman. many brings out arnold. the crowd goes wild. they go into congratulations on being governor. we are thrilled you will be connected. but with the magazine this competition shows this is your life. but arnold said he will donate his salary to charity. the los angeles times does a

deep dive because even though they were not publicly traded stock they were publicly traded bonds. so they found a shell company and traced it back and it was schwarzenegger. he was getting the money. it obviously became a bone of contention to show arnold was trying to make money off of being governor the same way trump made money being president. so there was getting the goodsds on that, that was important. >> jeremy, when you were in there watching trump, david got a smile out of trump. at one specific point with a were talking about this meeting at trump tower, kind of an unbelievable meeting, david, donald and michael at the table at the same time. tell us about that. >> this hits home how david was able to show how he was involved in donald trump's world.

he said the meeting happened after the election went to trump was president elect him he went to trump tower, there was a lot of security, kushner found them on the street, he comes into the office and there is fbi director, mom pompeo, and they are briefing him on a serious issue but pecker block sanity says donald trump tells a joke and says this is david perker he's the chairman of the national enquirer and he probably knows all of you in here. what got the laugh was pecker said all of the other gentleman in the room didn't find it funny. >> but trump and the court room had a laugh. it was a funny moment. the only time that trump really reacted to the testimony. we have seen throughout pecker's testimony that he has tried not to react. >> he has been very controlled. >> when he's not nodding off. i will also say what came out was important not that it was

done to other people but the relationship with the inquirer and david pecker goes back to 1998, we will call fixing the stories far before donald trump was a political icon. there is a history here. but to be clear, just because some of the person does it and got away with it, does not mean donald trump should not be prosecuted. just because one person stole and got away with it doesn't mean another person should. it does hold some water but it doesn't mean you are not guilty or does not prove beyond reasonable doubt. >> and he said people are purposely looking to get him. >> he also tried to cover it up to falsify business records. that is the charge year. falsified records. the cover of part of it. >> thank you all very much. next roman on how the trump trial could be affected by a huge ruling today overturning

harvey weinstein's great conviction. we will break that and the supreme court signaling it will reject trump's claim he is removed from charges in the january 6 case but they could give him a huge boost to delayed his trial but how much. the clock is ticking. finally clashes between protesters and police on college campuses. cnn witnessing the arrest of two professors.

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thank you governor and our california lawmakers for fighting for what matters. and drinking tonight jack smith's case against trump in major jeopardy. the supreme court signaling they will talk about this. the justice signal that they want the lower court to sort through one by one which of trump's actions were official duties and which were private before making a decision on immunity. they want this specific. this coming as it appears justices will ultimately reject trump's attempt to throw out the

case of absolute immunity. >> my question is whether the very robust form of immunity that you are advocating is really necessary. >> i'm trying to under stand what the incentive is for turning the oval office into the seat of criminal activity in this country. >> they di d not put a clause in the constitution but wasn't the whole point that the president was not a monarch and was not supposed to be above the law. >> they're not buying the immunity argument but they're not looking like they will move quickly on it and move the january 6 case forward either. >> evan, i think that is the confusing things.. it is clear how they view it and the specifics of this case they want to be narrow and specific so they spend this back to the lower court what does it do with the timeline. >> the timeline is still very

complicated. there's very little room for judge to maneuver aaron, because we are looking at a ruling likely at the end of this term which ends typically at the end of june. it is possible to go into the first week of july but here's the deal, once they rule and if they ask the judge to go back and review the specific acts to determine which is an official act which is not, then there might be more legal proceedings for her to oversee. there's also the possibility that donald trump will try to go back and appeal some of those decisions. >> it is very possible, that judge could decide that there -- the acts that are at issue are official acts, but they are still subject to this prosecution and that she wants to get a trial going by late august or early september. again that possibility remains

so we will have to wait to see the way the justice right there order to know exactly how much room the judge has to get this trial going very quickly before the election. >> all right, evan thank you very much. outside of the supreme court. now a former white house lawyer argued against trump's claim of immunity and before this went to the supreme court. thai, to put this into simple terms that we can all understand, today's hearing, a win or loss for trump? >> i think it benefits trump in the sense that it is almost certain this case will not get tried before the election in my view. it benefits him in that regard. on the other hand nothing that the justices are going to do is going to benefit his case other than the delay. subsequently they will not buy

the immunity argument or the impeachment judgment argument. in fact i think the whole argument to the extent will only be the concessions that they are private acts. >> there was a key moment for you. the trump appointment justice, was going back and forth with the president attorney got him to admit that a lot of the actions after the 2020 election were not presidential duties. let me play it. >> i want to know if you agree or disagree with the characterization of these acts as private. petitioner turned to a private attorney willing to spread false claims to spearhead his election results. >> we disputed the allegations but it sounds private. >> petitioner conspired with another private attorney to get a violation which was false

allegations to support a challenge. >> that also sounds private. >> three private actors and two attorneys and a political attorney implemented plan to obstruct the certification proceeding and petitioner and co-conspirator directed that effort. >> you read it quickly, believe that is private. >> and then later he says trump's phone call with that infamous secretary of state where he says you'll find 11,780 votes i just need one more is not an official act. how big a big concessions on this. >> those are all huge concessions to the extent this does get ultimately remanded to the judge for additional findings that will fill her hand in terms of her ability to move the case forward. i don't think the supreme court is focused so much on the actual trump indictment as they are concerned about hamstringing

future presidents in terms of restraints on their ability to act officially without fear of retribution by their successors. >> it sounds like you know where they will come out on this may be more specifically defined but where they will come out, that may delay it. it is different than how trump is defining it. he says if you're going to hold a former president accountable no one will want the office and it will be robbed of its power because they will be afraid of being charged. >> if you don't have immunity you're not going to do it, you will become a ceremonial president otherwise you will be prosecuted after you leave office. >> that was just today ahead of the hearing. now in the hearing, justices each said something that may be

some may have interpreted to be supportive of what trump said. let me play it. >> what would've happened if presidents were under fear that their successors would criminally prosecute them for their acts in office. >> conspiracy to prompt the united states could be used against a lot of presidential activities historically with a creative prosecutor who wants to go after a president. >> do you know how easy it is in many cases for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to bring an indictment? >> but you do not interpret those three statements supporting trump's immunity argument? >> not at all. i think they are overstated. guess there are scenes but they are obligated to deal with what is in front of them. you can't, for the example the ham sandwich, government

subsidies are entitled to regularity and in this case that would extend to grand jury's and honorable elected officials. guess there are possibilities people will be corrupt. in the approximately 250 years of our nation this has never happened before. trump is the issue, not what could happen to the extent trump's committed these crimes or have alleged to have committed these crimes, that is not going to be waylaid by what they do. >> you were predicting the supreme court. your track record is pretty good nine-0 which are that for the colorado case. how do you see this going and essentially when we find out? >> they will absolutely cannot find absolute immunity for trump. in fact they will find while immunity may be constrained in connection with article two

duties and discretionary acts, there is a fact-finding process required to determine the distinction between official acts and whatever the allegations are that would support an indictment. i think they will lay out that line and remanded to the district court. i think what you saw today was a lot of frustration with the d.c. circuit opinion which sort of said yeah, this is reprehensible no immunity but it didn't draw the sharp distinction that the supreme court clearly intends to do like where is the line between official accent how much can the criminal law impose upon the freedoms given to the president under article two. >> is there any chance this goes to trial before the election. >> not in my view. >> next year. >> if trump wins this case is dead. it will be like itit never happened. if he loses it will go next year. >> allll right. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> next harvey weinstein rape

convention -- conviction just overturned. new reporting on how that decision could affect the trump trial and he is out front next. >> and in the room a sketch artist revealing a key moment in court today.

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>> tonight trump repeating a blatant lie about his hush money child that every legal analyst thinks is bogus. >> my constitutional rights have been taking away from me. every expert every legal scholar every respected scholar has said this is no case. >> that is trump's latest claim about the case that it is baseless or outright false. >> day after day going in , coming up donald trump is making big claims about his trial. amongst the latest security is keeping his fans blocks away. >> they don't want any supporters here. they don't want mag a here.

>> that is false. no evidence of such grounds anywhere near the court in a way the former president has had something to say in person or online every time court has been in session. almost always nine the truth. >> we have no problem with this judge, a lot of things having to do with this trial. >> he insisted his legal troubles were flowing from the current president. >> this is all coming from the biden white house. >> that is false. he is a local official who does not report to the feds but trump steam to head posting that the da is so busy persecuting trump haslett violent crime in new york floor set levels never seen before and that is false too. violent crime is nowhere near its highest level. there were more than 500 murders alone in manhattan in 1990, at last year just 73. >> i am ashamed i chose to take

part in concealing mr. trump solicit acts. >> 's former attorney is expected to testify that his onetime boss directed him to pay hush money to a porn star to hide an affair which trumps denies. and to legally conceal the payment and falsified records.s. the gist of the whole case, michael cohen went to prison for making that happen but trump stake. >> he went to jail but that had nothing to do with me. >> trump said the judge won't let him attend his son's graduation but no decision has been made. ahead of jury selection trump said every legal scholar called the case against him absurd when that is flatly untrue. and he insists that the gag order makes it impossible for him to defend himself. >> i want to say what is on my mind but i am restricted with the gag order. >> perhaps it is true he can't say everything that is on his

mind, but the gag order only restricts a few things he can't attack or harass witnesses or jurors or court employees. beyond that he can talk about his case, he can talk about is presumed innocent, he can talk about whatever he wanted and he is doing it even when he says he is muzzled. he is doing it, he is talking all of the time. >> tom, thank you. he has done extensive reporting on david packer and the macdougal catch and keel deal, he is also an author, and also a lawyer deeply sourced in all of what we are seeing right now. when you are watching this, you know better than anybody how david packer operated how he operated to protect trump

specifically. have you learned anything from his testimony? >> it is a strange experience for many of the reporters because one of the things he is speaking to is ami, the former owner of the national and choir did say he lied. what we are getting is not new revelations but an apparent conspiracy. we are getting additional details and information. >> what are your sources telling you right now? >> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some

point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize with all of the reasons he is in a stressful position right now. to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team, finally amount i am going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast. he was just spouting vulgarities all of the time about trump. he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case.

>> as we await this testimony, this was the new york state work overruling the harvey weinstein conviction. it was a bombshell and people said wow. now you won a pulitzer prize for your work and you expose so many of these stories that women had shared with you about what harvey whiteside did to them. but the new york top court today basically said the lower court judgment made a serious mistake by allowing some of these women to testify when they were not the ones as part of the child. it sort of built a record of his alleged behavior as if it were fact without proving a. you publish a new piece, it was in the new yorker, what harvey weinstein's overturned conviction means for trump's trial? what does it mean? >> first of all weinstein will not be a free man anytime soon. he is serving a separate long sentence due to a conviction in

california for rape. that is not going to change anytime soon. out the fate of his trial in new york is overturning any subsequent retrial affects them less because of that then it affects the caselaw going forward about sex crimes in general. there was a dissent to this decision today from one of the judges that was where she said this is going to let people guilty of sex crimes off the hook. now it is also constitutional. >> they will exploit their power. >> exactly. there is a strong dissenting opinion on that. it is also going to matter not only for sex crime cases going forward but for this ongoing thermal trump hush pavement trial because there is a commonality applied. in both cases the prosecutors argue for and george's dust rag judges allowed in evidence of crimes other than the ones being

charge. so in the trump case that means donald trump is being charge for a payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels. that was a judge elite concealed. so the payment from ami to a doorman who was them possession of a rumored love child, those are not the actions that donald trump is being charge for in these cases but the judge has led in all of this testimony about these transactions to establish the intent and the alleged conspiracy here. those are stated exceptions in new york case law to the general rule you do not lead in evidence of uncharged crimes. nevertheless i think the weinstein verdict being overcharged just illustrates how

fraught it is anytime a court let's then in. certainly donald trump will capitalize on every opportunity he has to say this was a prejudice prosecution they leading to much. >> grounds for appealing andnd overturning. great to see you. >> next a sketch artist who was in court with trump today said she saw a big change from trump and his lawyers. she will show you would tell you exactly what she saw and why. >> cap is cracked out one college counseling may ceremony and professors arrested at another.

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>> trumps hush money child erupting. there was a heated moment. we will show you where the this is what they were doing when coders -- went prosecutors show

the hush money. this text message gets put out there. the text message from this editor to an immediate family member who says if he wins i will be pardoned from election fraud. one of trump's lawyers shouted well. the sketch artist was in the courtroom today. i just wanted to emphasize that text conversation the judge has not decided if to admit it into evidence. the jury was not there. you were there and the lawyers were there. what happened. >> the contrast. trump has been head straight throughout this trial, facing forward or slightly to the witness. that information came out, all

three of them, trump and his two lawyers they sat back and they immediately started conferring with each other. it was a visible difference. throughout most of the testimony this morning i think trump kind of expects and he knows what is coming. those were totally unexpected and he really reacted. he was talking to blanche. and then back and forth. then the three o of them. i can't draw the emotion but there was a lot of it. >> that was fascinating. we don't know whether the text will be admitted into evidence for the jury and the jury doesn't know about it. they have been told not to watch the media. they won't know unless it is admitted. there was another was another sketch. when you talked about trump's demeanor. here trump is watching and

listening as pecker is on the witness stand. that is what you are capturing. what stood out to you the most about pecker's testimony collects. >> first of all this is the cross-examination of his attorney and pecker and they are now talking about the election -- the arnold schwarzenegger, national enquirer. >> they are trying to draw a parallel that arnold did it so it is all the same. >> that it is a parallel in donald trump is very interested in this so he started turning around like i have never seenn him. he turns around and tries to put his arm on the back of the chair. he looks in the direction of the jury. i was looking. >> so he looks they are and that is your picture. >> yes. he did not keep his arm long enough for me too draw him but he definitely wanted to see if

the jury was listening, how would they react, did they think this was important. because it was finally testimony that favored him and his case so he was very interested in that. and i have not seen him do that since the beginning of the trial. by the way i didn't see him have that kind of body language and the carroll case either. he seemed to me, hit by his body language he was -- >> thank you so much. always good to see you. >> the process rocking college campuses. days after heard daughters arrest for participating and other school professors arrested. we will tell you what is happening. u and

usc canceling their ceremony as protests rock the campus. hundreds arrested nationwide. nick is out front. >> pepper spray is fired and a lot of muscle. deployed against protesters at emory in atlanta this morning. >> it was an overwhelming amount of force. >> to professors amongst thosese arrested. >> the administration blames

trespassers. these are not members of our community they are activists attempting to disrupt the university. emory does not condone this. -- >> we are making history. >> this morning a protest popped up at ucla. after yesterday's violence at usc that led to nearly 100 arrests. today this private university is close to the public and usc just canceled their commencement scheduled for may 10 which usually draws 64,000 people in boston at northeast university police encircled the protesters then backed off.

cortez has called columbia's decision to: nypd horrific. they wanted to hold their students accountable to the laws of the school. maybe you should walk around columbia and nyu and listen to their remarks of pure hatred. >> omar did visit columbia today with her daughter who has been arrested and suspended during these protests which kick started this movement. now in their a day. talks will protesters continue. if they fail, they will have to consider options to restore calm to campus. >> and here at ucla, a growing but peaceful protests. i think they've learned what happened at usc yesterday, police came in pretty heavy.

today almost 0 police or security visible. it is a bit. even if you are a student here you cannot walk across your campus because protesters have put up a barricade and they won't let you through unless you register and wear a mask. they won't even let us film from the other side. >> thank you very much. it is hard to see all of these protesters. thanks to all of you it is time for anderson. >> the president described how he helped him win the white house. >> the supreme court heard arguments for and against making any former president immune from any acts. letting this one off of the hook for staying in the white house. >> to court rooms and one case, this is something a single individual should be responsible for today's legal traffic jam.

here in new york the former presidents trial continue with more testimony from his one-time friend and publisher david pecker. he described his role as suppressing the storieies and te affairs would donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme court oral arguments and the conservatives appeared to embrace some form of criminal immunity. the liberal minority by contra